| Author | Message | ||
     Mr_incognito |
Joebuell, The deal I bought my 1125 from gave me hell for the first 6 months I owned my bike (which I bought from them). I was to the point where I was trying to get them to take it back it had so many problems....the had the gall to offer me 2k trade in 6 months after I gave them 12 for it. I decided I wouldnt be going there anymore, and if I had my way neither would anyone I know. So I took my bike to the other Buell dealer across town, and they have been great! Even though I didnt buy my bike from them, the techs and parts guys are always super nice, and they go my bike totally straightened out with no questions asked....I think it might just depend on the dealer. I felt pretty alone in my troubles with my bike until I started going to this new dealership (Riverfront HD). | ||
| Clbofaz |
At least you have 2 dealerships in town. Ive got one with the next closest being 200+ miles away. And Ive heard bad thing about it, so I'm not even sure AZ Buellers would be any better. Maybe I missed this, but 2010 11125R's hit the US market when? Is it July, after their slated production in September or...? | ||
| Ponti1 |
From talking to the BMC folks at Homecoming, 6/5/2009 was the last day of production for 2009 models. After that, they all get 2 weeks off, and then come back and start building 2010 models (around 6/22/2009). As to whether they will only build 2010 models other than 1125R/CR for the first 2-3 months, I don't know. | ||
| Puredrive |
If you are afraid of the dealership. Just say that you are new to the area..That should cover it. And id you are still paranoid. Why not get your oil changes there. | ||
| Puredrive |
do the freight& prep fees seem FAIR? Don't they also charge DOC fees? $6999 - bike $255 - freight $500 - prep | ||
| Dave_bogue |
$500.00 "prep fee"? How many hours does it take to prep an 1125R? At $50.00 an hour, that's 10 hours! Dave Bradenton Fl | ||
| Bikejunky |
Clbofaz - From what BMC has communicated to dealers, They are going to release information on the 2010 models in July concurrent with the summer dealer show. The actual production on only the U.S. (domestic) 1125 models will not start until after September 2009. They will be building the international 1125 models first which has likely started already. (Message edited by bikejunky on June 08, 2009) | ||
| Brad1445 |
This news has made me so happy. Could I be getting my sixth new Buell soon?????? Any more news on the 2010 Models????????? (Message edited by brad1445 on June 08, 2009) | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
$500 prep fee is another wonderful example of the creative imagination of our dealers. Prep on these bikes, and all other bikes, consists of opening the crate, and adding more gas. The Motor Company doesn't want the dealers to mess with the bikes before they are sold, with very good reason.  | ||
| Teach |
You would be amazed at the dealer's cost on these bikes. It is in "five figures". They are taking a huge hit on these bikes. Dealers selling these at $6995, that is $5000 less than the MSRP! And we are having concerns over doc fees??  (Message edited by teach on June 08, 2009) | ||
| Dave_bogue |
It's not the fact that the dealer charges doc, shipping, & prep fees, it's that they advertise a very low price to bait the customer. Then, usually very late in the selling procedure, adds the dealer profit fees to the naive customer's bill. The ethical way to do it is to advertise the selling price, then add only the sales tax and cost of the title and tag per the state's fees. This is just good business and promotes good customer relations. There will be motorcycles for sale that a dealer loses money on. There are also times when dealers can charge a premium price. This is called supply and demand. Right now it's a buyers market. Dave Bradenton Fl | ||
| Bikejunky |
G_J - Although I feel like a $500 setup fee is a little steep, there is a genuine 2 hrs in actual setup that a dealer will have to do to make sure a bike is actually ready to go/and also to protect themselves legally. I guess I personally wouldn't feel bad asking $500 for set up if I was selling a bike for 6995, but then again I would be more likely to list it at $7495 rather than mess around with fee discussions at this point. When you are giving 1125s away the fees kind of seem pointless. | ||
| Teach |
Good point Dave. It is a buyer's market. Customers are getting great deals on the 1125's. I own one and it is a magnificent machine. (I just checked my bill of sale and I paid MSP for it! WTF??, but I was only working part-time at that time) I agree that 500 seems a little steep for set-up, but I am not in that dealer's shoes. A lot of dealers are having a difficult time right now. We've had a major dealership in our part of the country hit the bricks. Speculation, but I really doubt many dealerships are being really profitable at this time. It is tough time, look at the auto industry. The dealerships want to stay in business so that they may provide the bikes to the customers, keep providing jobs for their staff and make a profit on their investment. I would like to think that the customer-dealership relationship is more of a partnership where the dealership provides the bikes and the customer service and in return, are compensated for that so they may continue to be able to provide the bikes and service. thanks, teach | ||
| Bikejunky |
Teach +1 | ||
| Teach |
Thanks bikejunky! Dave, I understand your point. As a customer I am in agreement with you, I hesitate to speculate, but giving a price and excluding the other costs gets the customer in the door and then you can negotiate some of the other costs...and complete the sale. (Message edited by teach on June 08, 2009) | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
Clbofaz, I have a GREAT dealer, they had to rebuild my bike after i wrecked back in sept. from the ground up, and when i got it back it was better than new  !!!!!, pm me if u wanna know my dealer This makes me SICK i paid 13,100 otd  ...but id do it ALL over again, i love my baby!!! Jake | ||
| Bikejunky |
Saw this on ebay. don't know anything about it.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Buell-BUELL-1125R-2 008-BUELL-1125R-600-miles-EXCELLENT-CONDITION_W0QQ cmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q 7c72Q3a317Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a2Q7c294Q 3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ca288613 bQQitemZ260424884539QQptZUSQ5fmotorcycles | ||
| Chadhargis |
I'm all about the free market. Supply and demand. If Buells are in high demand, they will bring higher prices. If not, then they will bring lower prices. I don't fault the dealer for trying to flush out a bike that's about to be two model years old. Why should they have to pay for the floor space to house that bike when they haven't been able to sell it in two years? If I were the dealer, I'd flush it too. This dealer might not have a big market for Buell, and probably should get out of the line. What helps the brand is not selling bikes at MSRP, but building a superior product to the competitor at a comparable (or lower) price. Once the demand gets high enough, then prices can be raised. Two manufacturers who have been wildly successful at this is Honda and Toyota. Back in the 80's, they were "cheap" Japanese basic cars. They ran well, lasted forever, and were inexpensive to buy and maintain. Now both are seen as a premium brand which bring a premium price not only when new, but when used. All that being said, the free market system is currently under attack. Who knows, if all dealers sold their bikes for $6999, maybe they could get a government bailout.  The wonderful thing about a free market is the manufacturer can set the price to whatever they want, but if the market won't support it, then they have to lower the price or throw in the towel. That's the way it should be. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Prep on these bikes, and all other bikes, consists of opening the crate, and adding more gas. This statement is absolutely false. I sometimes wonder exactly where people pull this kind of bunk out of- and if it hurts when they do. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
What exactly IS done during prep, if you care to divulge this industry secret? I am sure there must be a list from BMC of pre-delivery prep? WHere is it? | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
For the Big Four, Ducati and Triumph it varies depending on model, but all of them have to have the battery removed and charged (or replaced with a charged one)- and this requires varying degrees of disassembly. Bikes with handle bars usually have to have them installed, windscreens must also be attached, and all fluids must be checked/filled. Suzukis have to have the front wheel/tire installed, Triumphs have to go through a factory "warm-up" procedure- it goes on and on. Heck, just removal from the crate is a job in itself. The only units I have ever seen completely assembled in the crate are scooters and youth ATVs. I would be interested in hearing how Buells are shipped- I have not witnessed one being un-crated. | ||
| Sruzhyo |
And it still doesn't negate the fact that just over a year ago I paid $13.2K for my 1125. And now they're being sold for just over $8k out the door. BRAND SPANKING NEW. So what does that leave the value of my 08 w/ just over 10k loving miles on it? Low. Really, really low. So the guys who are getting great deals on their bikes, just understand that resale value is in the crapper.  Fmylife! =) | ||
| Court |
>>>just understand that resale value is in the crapper. Ditto: Porsche My 401(K) Questions? . . . . I'd say the market has changed a bit, eh? | ||
| Froggy |
And you can buy DVD players at wal mart for $20 now. Were you an early adopter that bought one of the early models that was $2000 and sucked compared to todays models? You knew going into the sale there would be an early adopter tax. Also, resale isn't in the crapper, despite what a handful of people on here say. | ||
| Sruzhyo |
Hey Froggy, how do you figure? My bike books (kbb) at $10.2K. I cannot get an offer for over $6.5K. In one year, losing almost $7000 of value to me means resale value is in the crapper. | ||
| Froggy |
$11995 MSRP on the 2008 1125R $9520 is the KBB retail price at time of posting (Private party would be a little lower) Thats a difference of $2475, or 20.634% Thats a bit better most other vehicles after a year, which typically lose 25%. As for the $6500 offers, you can do better than that. I had one person offer me $2000 for a $4000 Suzuki I was selling two years ago. I declined his offer and a few weeks later someone came and paid my asking price. Also, if you bought a motor vehicle for the point of reselling it, you made a bad decision, unless it happened to be something like a 1953 Corvette that Grandma didn't think was worth anything Also, not sure how you are getting a $7000 loss on a $12k motorcycle if you accepted a $6500 offer. | ||
| Socoken |
And you can buy DVD players at wal mart for $20 now. Were you an early adopter that bought one of the early models that was $2000 and sucked compared to todays models? No one buys a dvd player with resale in mind, nor any other computer related technological device. We are talking motorcycles here. Having a bike, less than a year old, lose over half of its value really sucks. F everyones 401k. Thats an investment that carries with it an inherit risk, not a motorcycle. And, no porsche ever made has taken a >50% hit off the showroom floor. This is a bummer to everyone who paid in full or pre ordered an 1125r, and there is NO silver lining. I might not ever buy a brand new Buell after this. Im 26 and the 1125r is my second new one, and I have LOVED both bikes. I knew my M2 wouldnt have a great resale, but I sold that for the same percentage after 7 years and 25,000 miles that my 1125 is worth after one year and 5,000 miles. Does that seem like good news for Buell? | ||
| 79n1 |
ok, did i miss it? where is the ad? what state are they selling these in for that price? the local dealer here just advertised 8499 and they have 3 left but he said it comes out to 9000 with the prep fees and what not. 3 left all are black. i was inches from buying a 2008 used xb12r black and red for 7500. should i go with the 1125r instead? | ||
| Froggy |
Except it didn't.
Umm, a motorcycle has a 99.99% chance of making you lose money.
I don't see how its a bummer to anyone except those that bought a bike and planned on selling it in a short period after. People that planned on doing that knew this would happen. This is why I didn't buy an 1125R right off the bat. It would of been hard for me at the time to buy new, and I knew a few years later I could get one at a fair price I could afford. Same could be said about ANY motor vehicle. I am trying to bite the bullet and get a brand new Pontiac, and again I don't give a crap if in 2 months its worth $5, as my driveway isn't a revolving door.
Thats fine with us.
23 here, on my second one (second one was used), and also loving both. I am planning on getting my 3rd soon
Depreciation hurts the first 3 years, after that, its pretty much flat. It didn't lose much value in the last 4 years, but then again tube frame Buell's tend to have horrible resale value partly due to the poor reliability.
Does it seem like bad news? | ||
| Sruzhyo |
Hey Froggy. I feel that you're being overly argumentative. You may not be, but it's just what I'm hearing. Let's talk real numbers. Not straight MSRP and KBB. MSRP + tax/title etc = $13,200. Current KBB be damned, there's no way you can sell a used 08 1125 for $9500 (or even just a little below that, private party). There was a guy in Pensacola who couldn't move his 1125 for over $7000 with LOTS of extras and the thing was flawless. So I figure I can get $6500 for my 08. If I'm lucky. I paid $13200. The difference there is $6700, almost $7000. No, I most definitely did not plan to buy, then re-sell the buell quickly. I knew I would take a bit of a hit. Not $6700 of a hit. The sale is forced because of an international move. Apparently you can't put 1125's on the road in Japan (at least the 08) because of some blah blah JDM standard (per Buell engineers). |
