| Author | Message | ||
     Sd26 |
Did a search, and I didn't come up with much more than "Redline ATF" to use with the slipper clutch set up. Redline has lots of different kinds of AFT. Is there one specifically to use or some of them to stay away from? Thank you in advance! | ||
| Jens |
Its the Redline Racing ATF http://www.redlineoil.com/products_gearlubricants. asp?productID=52&subCategoryID=18&categoryID=8 Jens | ||
| Sd26 |
Thanks a bunch, Jens!  | ||
| Buelldyno_guy |
If this is in an XB, remember your clutch oil is also your gear oil. If in an 1125, it's also your engine oil. Red Line are one of our sponsors, and their headquarters are in Benicia, only 15 minutes from the shop. If you give them a call and ask for Kelly he is the owners son and handles race support stuff. If it's a Buell remember to let him know which type and he can answer your questions. Terry - www.jtsperformance.com | ||
| Sd26 |
Thanks, Terry. It's my XB12R from my profile. Used to be sponsored by Redline myself back in 1994 or so. Can't remember the name of the guy that I worked with there anymore. Too many people, too many faces and names...LOL! | ||
| Walt221 |
I know they recommend Redline with slipper, but I wouldn't reccomend it. I used it at first and found that the ATF is super hard on the transmission and you will go through more primary chains. The ATF makes your primary case run very hot. The heat is a big factor in chain stretch. I always ran Torco MTF instead of ATF. It is slightly heavier oil and will help keep the temps down. It also works great with the slipper and Alto plates. In my XBRR I ran the 210 primary spring and 70 inner spring. In my XB12 I ran the 180 primary spring and 70 inner spring. With these spring combos and the MTF, the plates would last great and the chain stretch was minimal. | ||
| Jens |
Walt, after 3 raceseasons (already in the 4th) with slipperclutches and Redline Racing ATF in Buells (not XBRR)I could not confirm what you wrote. We use primarychains for years, also all other components of the primary and the gearboxes. It is not right that ATF "make the primary running hot". Eating chains is the problem of the XBRR construction, but thats another story.... Jens | ||
| Walt221 |
Jens, I agree regarding the XBRR being harder on primary chains. However, I found abnormal chain stretch in both bikes. Based on thermal testing, I have found that the ATF runs at least 45 degrees hotter than the MTF. Anyway, that's just what I've seen and my 2 cents. I'm glad others aren't having the same issues. Dave, Redline D4 ATF is still available from Lockhart Phillips I think. | ||
| Sd26 |
Hey, thanks for all the info, Walt! You say you ran Torco MTF. I know that I have used Redline MTF in some applications and had good luck. So, I'll ask another question. Why is it that the Redline ATF is the initial recommendation? Is there something in an additive package that is has that is better than an engine oil or does an engine oil have something in it that causes a problem that the Redline ATF reduces? | ||
| Walt221 |
That question I'm not sure about. My guess is that the ATF lubricates, but doesn't coat allowing for better "slipper" action. Only a guess though. | ||
| Buellrcr |
i run the formula plus in my xb and the clutches have been in their almost a year and have had no problems. change the oil after every weekend | ||
| Jens |
The idea behind Redline Racing ATF is to use an oil what can resist highest temperatures, remember that the slipperclutch add additional heat into the system on one side and on the other hand garantee best lubrification of the primary and gearboxcomponents. Redline Racing ATF also use extra friction materials to prevent the clutch to slip. Of course not the slipper effect (-: The Redline Racing ATF solution was worked out with Alto as the clutchfiber distributor for the slipperclutches and got the ok for the XBRR from the HD drivetrainengineers. Jens | ||
| Neb25 |
Which Torco MTF? I see 3 different weights. 75, 80 and Racing. I ran am running Redline ATF as well and never had any problems but if there is something that would help run cooler I would like to give it a try. Joel |
