| Author | Message | ||
     Xblaw |
In due time old_man, in due time. | ||
| Greenlantern |
I do appreciate seeing something other than anti-war protests, plus those guys in the 1870s costumes are funny as hell. If we had universal healthcare, you could get that dyslexia fixed right up there!   | ||
| Xblaw |
1870's..... bahahahaha | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
If this were out in San Fran, would it be Tea Bag Parties? | ||
| Swordsman |
"at least the anti-war protesters are funny and creative. " Not the ones in Cali. They're freakin' psychotic. My uncle works out in San Fran in a high rise that happens to house a weapons contractor on one floor. You wouldn't believe the insanity of those people. He said the peace protesters are actually the most violent he's encountered. ~SM | ||
| Xl1200r |
I must have missed something. My taxes haven't been raised recently. Who's taxes were raised? I think it has more to do with folks not happy with what's being done with the taxes they do pay. Most of what I saw was people unhappy about the stimuilus bill... things along those lines. | ||
| Xblaw |
The stimulus bills are not paid so much with tax money. Bonds were sold to China to pay for a considerable amount of these spending bills. I for one am upset about the debt that will be passed on to my children. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
I've been unhappy with how money is being spent for years, but oh well. Whether you agree with the protest or not, surprised to see so many conservatives protesting. Usually its anti-war college aged peoples (for the most part), no offense to any older leftys  Very creative though. Sorry about the mixup there, 1870, 1770, eh it was a long time ago. As for crabs, them's fighting words right there  JK, Crab is the greatest food ever, but I'm a native Marylander so I'm very biased. Good to hear they got Old Bay in Texas, have you tried it in chili? I'll have to try it on popcorn to. And yes Grumpy, the best crabs in the world do come from Baltimore, or MD in general. And Baltimore is very close to D.C. 2 Major metropolitan cities being so close to one another explains our astronomically high crime rate, politicians included Sorry to hijack with the crab stuff mods... | ||
| Xl1200r |
The stimulus bills are not paid so much with tax money. Bonds were sold to China to pay for a considerable amount of these spending bills. Because the tax revenue isn't there yet. Bottom line, the government has only so many ways of getting money, but seems to find no shortage of ways to spend it. When it's my cash, I should have more say of what you do with it. | ||
| Swordsman |
So China nows owns the United States. Cool. that's gotta be the best deal since the Louisiana Purchase. ~SM | ||
| B00stzx3 |
Hasn't China been our biggest lender under Bush as well? I mean, I can understand anger at the bailout and the new debt, but what about Bush's spending? That was quite a bit of debt as well, borrowed from China to. | ||
| P_squared |
You are correct. China is the largest holder of our debt, and it has been going on for years. But attempting to justify increasing that debt SIGNIFICANTLY by effectively saying, "He did it before me" is a cop out. As for the Old Bay in chili, YUMMY. And ChelleM is right, it's AWESOME on popcorn. Give it a try when you can, you won't be disappointed. | ||
| Toona |
but what about Bush's spending? I wasn't in favor of that either. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
I worded that wrong, not copping out with the blame the other guy thing. Just wondering where all the tea parties and conservative outrage were under Bush's tenure, thats all. But I do realize people are partisan, like liberals protesting Bush for things Clinton did as well. And I'm defintley trying the "Chesapeake Popcorn" thing tonight, I'm getting hungry thinking about it! (Message edited by b00stzx3 on April 16, 2009) | ||
| Old_man |
4 years ago, when I was worried about this deficit spending.- How we were saddling our children and grandchildren with great debt. The great, conservative, intellects here explained to me that it was nothing to be concerned with.- How stupid I was. They explained that the government only has to print more money. I wish they would , please, explain it again. It would put all our minds at ease. Come on now! You remember. I do. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Old Man, You are right, in that the spending going all the way back to JFK has been abysmal in this country. I think what many were trying to point out was Bush tried what Reagan did, explode the deficit with an influx of cheap currency and let that trickle down begin, does it work? Maybe to a point, but nothing beats good old fashioned balanced budgets. We as Americans have not seen that in a few years, at least since Gingrich and the contract for America crowd has left or renegotiated the contract with some lobbyist. The real crime is the way the TEA Party in Texas has been spun, the Gov. of Texas tried to point out that many people in Washington are spending into four or five generations from now's income, and he implied independent states like Texas may not wish to come along for the ride....well some call that secession talk....and the spin was, get this, Secession was associated with slavery and should not be talked about, according to some Democrat from Texas....hm..so our history should not be talked about? This country was founded on secession from the British Empire...it is funny to me how real history gets rewritten when those that find it distasteful are in power...but that is the way of things isn't it? Regardless of liberal, conservative, demo or repub, we have to wake up from this complete apathy for the power base in our country. I sometimes think that this country cannot see past friday night...... (Message edited by liquorwhere on April 16, 2009) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
money does apparently grow on trees. Ever notice how whenever they do a segment on the Fed or the bailout they show the big sheets of bills being printed and going to the cutter?... Just print more, really it will all be ok..... Look for your new commemorative Barrack Bucks at a bailed bank near you soon. | ||
| Aeholton |
I mean, I can understand anger at the bailout and the new debt, but what about Bush's spending? This TEA Party idea began during Bush's term. It's not a partisan movement. Every American (regardless of political party) should be concerned over the excessive spending by our government. We are spending money our children and grand children will not be able to pay back. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
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| Aesquire |
Who's taxes were raised? Mine. A lot of people, mostly poor. I sure don't hit the dreaded $250000 ( or the $200000, $150000, or $100000 figures used during the campaign ) that makes me the hated rich. But, indeed I am paying more taxes than in the beginning of january. Crackhead does have a point, in that protests not politically correct do not get coverage. Or, as in this case, the coverage is biased and full of lies. The D.C. politicians don't go out to see the protests, that would be foolish. Staffers watch the news for them though, so they get feedback .... bad feedback, but that's what they act on. Old_man, which idiots told you it was a good idea to rack up huge deficits? I'll mock them with you. | ||
| Old_man |
I am copying directly from one of the original posts: "We will end up having to pay it one way or another." (My Feelings) That is probably the biggest myth in politics today. The United States of America's economic situation is quite a bit different from that of a typical household or business. Some interesting commentaries on the issue... http://www.oswego.edu/~edunne/debtmyths.html http://www.optimist123.com/optimist/2005/10/why_de bt_doomsd.html Check out the chart in the optimist123.com commentary; it is key to understanding how debt can increase continuously with no ill effect. Another regular stalwart of the right echoed the same. One suggested that I needed medicated. They know who they are. How the tune did change. I guess more medication is in order for the rest of you. Will they own up now? I won't hold my breath. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I thought you'd sworn off political debates? | ||
| Hexangler |
No, he's just been taking notes... | ||
| Old_man |
Some here asked me to reconsider. I know there are not many here who appreciate my point of view. But I found some who do appreciate what I have to say. After I posted the news article about the three murdered officers here. And the right wing zealots attacked it as crap. I realized that some of the Looney Tunes are going to make my postings a political matter regardless. They managed to get it moved off this page. How easy for them to do it HERE. I know this site is a bastion of far right wing propaganda. But I'm sure there are quite a few who only have interest in bikes and not much interest in your political agenda. Some of them may have an interest in a different point of view. I know a few of you and your toadies just hate to hear it. I don't make any attempts to change your minds. But I know, and you should also be aware that there are other people reading this motorcycle web site And they should know that we all don't think the same as you. I'll wait for the toady to chime in with his few meaningless words. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
If there is someone you have a beef with, out it. Calling someone "toady" doesn't help your argument. I won't let "toady" call you names either. As far as "bastion of conservatism", maybe. It's one of the few. 99.9% of the rest of the bulletin boards I frequent are bastions of left wing lunacy. Nice to have one place to call home. There can only be two reasons to engage in a political debate: Exchange ideas or to antagonize those whose positions are different than your own. Sounds like you are intent on doing the latter. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Yes all of this propaganda is sickening to the core. The government knows whats best for us. At least this fine Illinois representative has it right: http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/il09_schakows ky/pr_teaparties_04_15_09.shtml | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
After I posted the news article about the three murdered officers here... They managed to get it moved off this page. Old Man, for what it may be worth, I moved that thread to the Basement, as it had turned into a rude, ongoing pissing match that had lost all semblance of civility, IMO. The fact that I moved it isn't personal, and in at least one BadWeB custodian's opinion (mine), you're welcome to debate your views on BadWeB any time, whether or not I agree with said views. Where I struggle - and this is NOT directed at you - is seeing a debate turn into a rude, vile pissing match, wherein logic and common decency are tossed out the window in favor of simply hurling hurtful insults and seeing who has the biggest e-dick. Should this thread reach that point, it'll get moved, too. We ALL ought to be able to agree to disagree, and we ALL ought to be able to debate a subject - be it politics, religion, or (heaven forbid) motorcycles - in a mature, respectful manner. Sorry for the thread jack, just wanted you to know that moving your thread was not meant to be personal nor meant to be a commentary on the thread topic. I also wanted you to know WHO moved the thread. Best regards, Ferris | ||
| Old_man |
There can only be two reasons to engage in a political debate: Exchange ideas or to antagonize those whose positions are different than your own. Not so. You must realize that you and I are not the only people reading this site. It's not about you, It's not about me. I don't have my say to antagonize anyone., but to "have my say" Do you have your say to antagonize me? I don't think so. And yes, what else can you call someone who never gives any reasoned argument but instead repeats the same tired meaningless phrase time after time in support of something he is incapable of arguing on his own. | ||
| Old_man |
And I KNOW that I'm not about to change your mind. So I will not try. But you have your say and I will have mine. I may find your opinion repugnant at times as you may find mine. But I've been around a long time, and that's life. NO BIG DEAL! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Agreed completely OM. If someone has a different viewpoint and wants to defend it with logical arguments, I'm all ears. If someone wants just to be a liberal/conservative cheerleader and sling insults, find a different hobby. |
