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Paulinoz
Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I need to safty wire my XB12R's front and rear axle and pinch bolts. any photos or ideas wold be appreciated.
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Fullpower
Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 06:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

given that they are well recessed, that is going to be difficult. you could make a spacer sleeve, just the right size to fill the "recess" and then use correspondingly longer bolts, which would then have exposed heads. drill and wire as normal. gonna look bad, and use more steel, but would be legal.
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Englishman119
Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 06:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FRONT

Back wheel is done the same way but use the little slot in the swing arm to pass the wire through back to the pinch bolt.

Mark
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Paulinoz
Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mark thankyou looks like what I was thinking about but is nice to know it works befor I start drilling.
Paul
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Joojoo
Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 11:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What are safety wires for?
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Apex1
Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2004 - 11:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It keeps fasteners from coming loose. Most racing organizations require it on critical parts.
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Rockbiter1
Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 01:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My QA people would be all over that safety wire job...but military safety wire does need a higher quality than civilian safety wire :)

For example..the tag end was not "pigtailed", or bent under, which prevents the sharp wire from puncturing skin...and the wire to the right of the second bolt has been untwisted slightly, which weakens that section.

Please do not think i'm being picky, its just the way the Chair Force trains us to evaluate such things.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 01:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mark,
Looks to me like your wire to the axle will go into compression in the case of the reverse thread unscrewing. You want it to tend towards tensioning the wire when trying to loosen, no? :]
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Opto
Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 02:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Eagle-eyes everywhere!...would have been fun drilling that tiny hole.
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Englishman119
Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK, OK. Here’s the detail. Blake is right (of course!) that it should attempt to keep the bolts under mild tension. Drilling the hole in the axial is the easy bit – Remove, drill press and done. Problem is then getting the wire out of the axial hole in the fork leg. I used my trusty Dremmel to grind a small slot between the new hole and the edge of the axial to pass the wire through (Just visiable in the pic). Trouble is there is not much metal to play with. There is a small gap where the 2 half’s of the fork leg pinch the axial. I used that little gap to help get the wire through. The result is that strictly speaking the whole set-up is not perfect. However, I viewed it statistically; What’s the probability of the 2 wired pinch bolts not holding and the axial breaking loose as well ?. Your life, your choice. Personally I think that wiring the 2 pinch bolts is sufficient.

Of more concern to me is the safety wiring of the XB’s oil lines to stop them undoing themselves. Ever considered what the outcome would be if one of those oil fittings on the underside of the swing arm worked loose at 100mph while dragging your knee on your favorite curve?......I have and I can make the pics available on how I wired all the oil fittings and pump if I’ve stirred any thoughts. FYI, one of my oil line fittings at the swing arm was not particularly snug when delivered from the showroom.

Other things I wired; Swing Arm Brace, brake mounting bolts front & rear, all exhaust mountings and connections, belt tension pulley nuts......Yes I was paranoid about the vibration at first! Seriously though, I just didn't fancy any of these things falling off and some are required by race organizations.

Oh, dont buy cheep drill bits, but buy several. To do all the above on my XB9 consumed 16 bits. Eric uses some tough metal.

Mark.


edited by englishman119 on January 08, 2004
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M1combat
Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would be interested in seeing all of the pics anyone can provide of safety wire on an XB. If you want, you could e-mail them to me if you prefer.
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Dasxb9s
Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ME TOO!!!
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 01:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How about posting them in the knowledge vault? It would save all the emailing :D
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 02:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mark,
I figured that was the deal. Hey, I don't even safety wire my axles or pinch bolts. Only the caliper bolts and tranny drain. Looks like with the new more stingent WERA based rules for 2004, I may be doing some more drilling. And gotta mount a stinking steering damper.

PLEASE post your pics! I have some of my Cyclone that I've been meaning to share too.
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Paulinoz
Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mark I am intrested in any safty wire pix also just e-mail if that is easy. I can Agree on the get lots of drill bits, broke two last night just drilling the 3 holes for the front axle.
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Henrik
Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2004 - 10:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A drill press is a great help when drilling for safety wire. I bought a cheap one from Harbor Freight - less than $100.

Henrik
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Court
Posted on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 06:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>Ever considered what the outcome would be if one of those oil fittings on the underside of the swing arm worked loose at 100mph while dragging your knee on your favorite curve?......

Yes.

Turn 13, Heartland Park Topeka, 1990

Gasket on Sportster oil filter gave way mid-turn during heavy lean showering the rear tire with oil.

Based on personal experience, here's what happens....the bike does a 360{o} so fast it induces vertigo, the BMW Boxer Twin and the Ducati 900SS behind you go down and you travel merrily down the track spewing oil all over.

I have a plaque on my wall, given as a joke, that I wish I didn't have.

Anyone ever noticed how much stuff on my bikes is safety wired?

Now you know......the rest of the story.

Court
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Tdshepard
Posted on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 08:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

here is a link to a good safety wire article http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0002_hand/
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M1combat
Posted on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thank you Todd. Good info.
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Bad_ass_bolt
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I COULD GET A PIC OF MY WOODCRAFT DAMPER IF NEEDED. IT IS THE ONE THAT MOUNTS UNDER THE NOSE SO YOU CANT SEE IT. VERY HAPPY WITH IT. VERY ADJUSTABLE, EASY TO INSTALL.
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99buellx1
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

no need to YELL.
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