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Ebear
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Check THIS out!!7th fastest on a Sportbike in the SUPERBIKE FIELD!!!!

Glad to hear BARNEY is alright too!!!!!

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=3 5137
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How do the Daytona rules differ?
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rulebook:

http://www.amaproracing.com/prorace/pdf/2009%20AMA %20Pro%20Road%20Race%20Regulations.pdf



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American Sport Bike 1 - DISPLACEMENT CAPACITIES AND WEIGHT LIMITS
Minimum weight in the exact condition the machine finishes any competition activity (qualifying or race final) without the addition of fluids or other items of any kind.
4 cylinder 375 pounds
2 cylinder 390 pounds
Displacement capacities
2
4 cylinders 749cc up to 1000 cc 4-stroke.
2 cylinders 901cc up to 1200 cc 4-stroke
Changes to engine type, configuration, stroke and any modifications of engine components to alter the stock OEM firing order of the cylinders are not permitted.
The displacement capacities must remain at the homologated size. Stock bore and stroke must be maintained.





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Daytona SportBike
Only homologated machines approved by AMA Pro Racing are eligible for participation in Daytona SportBike.
All items not mentioned in the following articles must remain as originally produced by the manufacturer for the homologated machine. Unless otherwise specified, all parts must originate from the same make/model as the homologated machine, meaning no up-dating or back-dating is permitted
In addition, every motorcycle entered must meet the requirements listed in General Equipment Standards.
Machines currently eligible for homologation for competition in 2009 are:
Aprilia RSV, BMW HP2 Sport, Buell 1125R, Ducati 848, Honda CBR600RR, Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R, KTM Super Duke, Suzuki GSX-R600, Triumph Daytona 675, Yamaha YZF-R6.




(Message edited by slaughter on December 08, 2008)
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Elvis
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



I haven't studied the rules in much detail yet, but it looks like more modifications are allowed in Superbike.

One quick example is it looks like you can use exotic valve springs in Superbike, but not in Daytona Sportbike.

I'd guess that the Buell's engines were closer to stock than most of the other bikes out there (the Buell's were probably very close to the Moto-St bikes which were horsepower limited and, therefore, probably had very minimal engine modifications.)

The Japanese bikes probably had modifications similar to what they've been using in AMA over the past several years.

It would be very interesting to know all the details of what was out there and what is being considered and what the specifications of the bikes were etc., but we'll never know those things until they're no longer relevant.

It sounds like McWilliams may have had trouble with the "Superbike Spec." bike on the first night and then got some time in on the Daytona bikes so it wouldn't be a complete loss.

Hopefully he did well enough on the Daytona bike to convince people who know all the details and hold the purse strings that it will be worth an effort.

If they know, for example, they can get 40 more horsepower out of Superbike legal engine and he was running 1:44's on an underpowered bike, maybe some people at Buell and Harley (and some sponsors) will be ready to make the leap.

The public line was that McWilliams was testing "Race kit components" for privateer efforts, and that may be all it was. There may be no intention to run any formal Superbike team this year.

While I hope that's not the case and I hope there's more going on behind the scenes than we know about, it might not be a bad idea to go slowly.

Do some work in Daytona Sportbike and build some teams and riders before trying to make the leap. I had thought they should have done something like that last year with an XBRR FX effort, but if they can at least get started in Daytona Sportbike in 2009, that would be a big step toward an eventual Superbike effort.

(Message edited by elvis on December 08, 2008)
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Daytona Sportbike class has SPECIFIC and NAMED bikes that can be homologated in 2009... notice that some Ducati are excluded from competing and therefore must compete in Superbike and not Supersport. Homologation rules are very specific. I doubt that the URAL sells enough bikes to allow their entry in Supersport - and even if they DID, they are NOT on the list so they'd have to be entered in Superbike.

I know that many URAL fans are sorely disappointed that their favorite bike is not allowed to race in Daytona Supersport and instead must race in Superbike.

(Message edited by slaughter on December 08, 2008)
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Ebear
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yer' all over that , aren't ya'..!!

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Davegess
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know that many URAL fans are sorely disappointed that their favorite bike is not allowed to race in Daytona Supersport and instead must race in Superbike

Dam, you have let the cat out of the bag. We have been testing our top secret Ural bike we would have blown everyone away but no that they know it is coming we are done.
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Jerry_haughton
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 06:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

t-shirt idea:

Urals in Superbike???
You bet Uranus!!!


sorry. : )
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Court
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 08:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Uh . . . . "D" . . . get in here and take the orange bottle out of his hands!
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 08:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jerry - Vicodin is NOT vitamin V - despite what I may have told you in the past.

Hey - I was inspired yesterday after seeing the Urals on display. They are really underrepresented in racing...

hmmm... sponsorship idea maybe??? (Slaughter scratches his chin in a thoughtful manner - pondering)
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Ebear
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 11:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah....But ya gotta leave the sidecar on just to make it fair!



...cough...cough...
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Davegess
Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's it we build a Ural worm sidecar rig, we will take on the IOM course. We could clean up! With all th eoil we leak all we have to do is start first and everyone else will crash!
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