| Author | Message | ||
     Ochoa0042 |
Im thinking of switching to GP shift.... will it be a hard thing to reteach myself to shift from regular to GP? your thoughts? | ||
| Skinstains |
If you put the bike on the track, it is a must. Trust me I learned the hard way. It is real easy to adapt to as well. Even if it's a street only bike I would do it. It just makes more sense to have it work that way. have you ever downshifted in a turn ? I didn't think so. Have you ever upshifted in a turn ? Of course you have. Would you rather put your left foot under the shifter while leaned over on the left side (risking an accidental downshift trying to get your big dumb foot under the shifter for the upshift while tached out in fourth there-by ripping the idler pulley and mount out of the cases along with a nice big chunk of the cases)or keep it on top where you can keep the peg weighted and upshift just by pushing your toe down ? It could also come in handy if your bike should ever be stolen as it would probably confuse the theif. | ||
| P_squared |
Write 'GP Shift' on a piece of tape w/ an arrow pointing down. Place tape in a conspicuous place where you will see it every time you get on it. (Top of triple or on instrument cluster work well.) You can adapt rather quickly to it, as long as you have it in your mind on a regular basis. Once you no longer think about the shift pattern, then you can remove the tape. (Message edited by P_squared on November 19, 2008) | ||
| Oxygen151 |
What exactly is different about a GP style shift? | ||
| P_squared |
GP shift is 1 up for 1st, then the rest are down. Standard shift is 1 down for 1st, then the rest are up. The "advantages" to GP vs. Standard depend a lot on your personal preference. It is easier to shift mid turn in a left hander when you are at the rev limit with a GP pattern (push down on the lever, instead of trying to get your foot under it to lift up.) For me, the biggest reason I like it is because my upshifts are a lot quicker, just bang down on the lever. It also seemed to 'cure' my lazy 1st to 2nd gear shift intermittent 'miss' that resulted in a missed shift. Try it, you might like it. If not, easy enough to change back to standard. | ||
| Disposabuell |
i run gp, prefer it to regular. If you are going to do it write gp shift on some paper and tape it to your speedo or somewhere you will see it all the time. also, for the first week or two take it real easy around corners and don't shift until your out of them...a downshift during cornering can be bad. once you have a sense of it you're good to go, though you will still need some time to get fully used to it. also, make sure to tell the mechanics it is gp before they take it out. | ||
| Moosestang |
Do you just turn the shift arm to change it? I'm not sure i could get used to down shifting by lifting up. I could easily up shift by pushing down though.  | ||
| Ochoa0042 |
quick Q.... to change it to GPshift, all you need to do is rotate the thingy well then what's this part for?  | ||
| Jeffroj |
I think that is for the Firebolt's shifter location. | ||
| Slaughter |
That hole is an alternate location for the shift lever. You can ignore it. If you have a later version of an S3 shift lever, it fits there and with a short operating rod, actually gives a pretty good geometry. Reverse pattern definitely works better on track... but I found myself screwing up on the street - now my streetbike is switched too... much better. I still have problems with my DRZ dirtbike however - and it's not worth the trouble to figure out a linkage or I'd have done it too. | ||
| Sloppy |
GP shift is dependent upon whose riding. Kevin Schwantz rode 1 down 5 up for many a victory and championships... and I'd put him above Rossi during his prime. So if you can't ride as fast as Schwantz I'm not sure if GP shift really gains you that much.  | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Think of GP shift this way... Down to lower rpm's Up to raise rpm's This helped me wrap my mind around the concept better. | ||
| Nillaice |
i switched over last winter. i had a few mis-shifts, but i like it GP style. pick you reason some like it, some don't but the real question is do we really need another "GP shift?" thread? | ||
| Slaughter |
Yet another GP Shift thread? We're beating countersteering to death in another thread. You can tell when it's getting less and less rideable - and especially after the time changing. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
It's easier to switch from Regular to GP vs. GP to regular. I rarely mis-shifted in GP format and if you do, the penalty is you end up in a higher gear than desired. I mis-shifted more often in regular mode after riding GP. The penalty for mis-shifting there is getting thrown over the handle bars when you downshift accidentally. Sucked. | ||
| Nillaice |
so what i'm getting is "once you go GP, you should never go back" with the faintest hint at "if you don't use it, you loose it" | ||
| Ourdee |
One of my first bikes was 1 up 4 down on the right side. I miss the Bennelli Panther 125. With the shifter on the right and brake on the left, I never got cornfused jumping on the other bikes, because of the left right thing, I think? | ||
| Froggy |
It took me about, oh, 30 minutes to get the hang of GP, a few days to master it.  I am slower on stock shifting now, it feels counter productive. | ||
| Sethbuchbinder |
Once you have spent enough time with both configurations, changing back and forth is no big deal. After riding standard shift for years, I flipped the shifter on my XB and rode it that way on the street for a few weeks reminding myself to take care when shifting, Since i was working at a dealer at the time i was always riding different bikes. That often meant riding both patterns back to back. Like most things, a bit of patience and practice was all it took. Recently at the NJ inside pass I was switching between my GP shift XB and the standard shift demo XBs and 1125r/crs all day without any problem. Give yourself a reminder, be patient and practice lots. youll feel comfortable before you know it. Seth | ||
| Chadhargis |
Before you go through the learning process of GP shift, consider why you "need" it. Are you racing? Do you need to pick up another few .10's of a second to get contingency money or keep your sponsor? Are you trying to beat your buddy's best lap time? Changing to GP shift just because it's "cool" is a bad reason. I've taken schools from a former AMA Superbike champion as well as Ed Bargy, who's not a bad rider himself. Both of them said the same thing. It's a personal thing, but it's not going to make you go one iota faster. The example I was given is Kevin Schwanz. World Champion MotoGP rider.....never used GP shift. No telling you not to do it, not telling you to do it. Just wanting you to think about WHY you are doing it and what you hope to accomplish with it. There are better ways to improve your lap times, such as working on establishing reference points for braking, shifting, throttle, and turn in. Work on applying throttle to the limit of grip. Feel what the bike is doing. Learn to brake at the threshold of grip...feel the front end. | ||
| Slaughter |
My thinking in making the switch to GP shifting for me was in T13 in Thunderhill, you ALWAYS are upshifting in the chicane just as you head for the ONLY WALL on the whole course. After consistently dragging my toe UNDER the shifter and being frustrated by short-shifting BEFORE the apex, I made the change in the pits - about 3 minutes work. Doesn't really make you faster - it's a "chicken soup" thing - it couldn't hurt. Still - the BEST THING you can do for riding confidence is to get a notebook and USE IT - record EVERYTHING - date, temperatures, tire/compounds, pressures, suspension settings (preload/sag, compression and rebound damping), brakes, and your impressions/thoughts and bike's responses. FEW people like the idea that riding well takes homework - they'd much rather just buy stuff that makes them "faster" A well-used notebook will make you a much better rider than anything you can buy. (Message edited by slaughter on November 20, 2008) | ||
| Moosestang |
Is there a certain angle you should set the splined connector at? I noticed the more downward angle, the easier it was to upshift. | ||
| Chadhargis |
Slaughter, I agree with your "homework" theory completely. Riding well on the track requires you to think, think, think, think. | ||
| Ourdee |
The notebook helps you reconstruct what happened. I used to be OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder)when it came to the journal/notebook. It is a great tool. I was able to figure out when I had my heart attack from mine. After the hospital I couldn't remember what High School I graduated from. The heart attack was 10 days prior to the hospital visit. I discovered the journal a couple of months later, did I say I forgot everything. When you are at the track you forget almost everything within a week. | ||
| Ochoa0042 |
Im actually doing it because I have two spare primary covers and dont want to buy the next one because I can reuse the broken ones.... only because that the regular mount for the shifter bolt is broken, so I plan to use that green circled hole/mount.. and the best configuration for using that hole/mount is by using GPshift | ||
| Slaughter |
That second mount will need you to shorten the connecting link. | ||
| Skinstains |
If you have big feets that other mount will give you a little more room for your big feets. I switch between standard left side, gp left side, standard right side, and standard w/reverse on left side of tank. No problem. If I can do it, it can't be that hard. | ||
| Ochoa0042 |
That second mount will need you to shorten the connecting link how? buy it or can I cut it? .... I was doing a quick mock-up of the upper hole/mount with a GPsetup and it looks like it'll work with what I have. If you're doing standard-shifting-mode with the upper hole/mount you will need to get a shorter link skinstains, ¿que? complete thoughts.... ;p} | ||
| Slaughter |
I cut/drilled/tapped mine - but after tipping over on the left side, I went back to the stock parts but GP shift. There MIGHT be a short link somewhere in some stock of somebody's tool box - but I had to fabricate my own shortened link. | ||
| Patrickmitchell |
I have an 07 City Cross. I did not need to shorten/modify the shift linkage. I simply flipped the bracket on the output shaft and adjusted the pedal position. The stock pieces worked perfectly. Honestly, my bike shifts better now. I probably should have adjusted the position long before I switched to a GP pattern. |
