| Author | Message | ||
     Jespo_m2 |
Just wondering if any of you know if Buell intends to build a Uly styled bike with the rotax motor. A bike that's in-line with the Triumph Tiger. If they build it today... I'll buy it tomorrow. I love the Uly but it does not have the power I desire for highway riding which (unfortunately) I do a lot of. I'm just not comfortable with keeping a 7k RPM readline engine at 4.5 - 5K for long periods of time either. The extra 40HP will be sweet too. | ||
| Terp84alum |
I too would buy one in a second. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I don't think an 1125 motor is well suited to a Uly-type bike. XB's have more than enough power for the highway, and the motor is only running 4000 rpm or so on the highway. I think the lump is much better for the Uly. However, if you're looking for something a little Sport Touring oriented, then yeah - stick that Helicon in there! | ||
| Two_buells |
I too would buy one in a second Me Two! With the right Map and gearing it would be fun! | ||
| Buellborn |
I'll take one! As long as it;s does not have the side scoops. I'll take the longer wheelbase extra fuel tank for a radiator tucked in. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
Here's the ticket. Scrap the pretense of the all terrain stuff and build an asphalt only sport touring rig. Some more wind protection, a cushy, all-day seat, upright seating, etc, etc. Keep it lighter than the competition, and hang some big a$$ed hard luggage on it. Big electrical system to run goodies. Just my $0.02. R | ||
| Chameleon |
+1 to what CarbonBigFoot typed. | ||
| Jaimec |
The 1125R is actually a good platform from which to start. Big wide fairing "Quiet Zone" already takes care of the wind protection. Just raise the bars up a tiny bit, higher windscreen to match, lengthen the tail section a bit for improved passenger comfort, and add a set of Hepco Becker lockable and removable saddlebags. I'd buy THAT in a heartbeat! Oh, and for crying out loud, after 25 years... BUILD THE ENTIRE EXHAUST SYSTEM OUT OF STAINLESS STEEL!!!!!!!! | ||
| Riding_tall |
Strada posted a nice photoshop of that idea in the ULY forum ... I want one. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/142 838/405965.html?1224716757  | ||
| Jespo_m2 |
"I don't think an 1125 motor is well suited to a Uly-type bike." I HIGHLY disagree with this statement. It would be perfect for a Uly-type bike. I owe a Triumph Tiger strictly due to the need for more more power and smoother running motor for long distance commuting. I love my Buells but would NEVER take them on long distance travels... I wish I could. Thanks for posting the pic... THAT is the bike that Buell needs to build. IMHO | ||
| Xl1200r |
I HIGHLY disagree with this statement. It would be perfect for a Uly-type bike. I OWN an 1125, and I'm telling you that it is not a good motor for a Uly-type bike which is tagged as an "Adventure Tourer" bike. So many Uly owners are switching to the 9 primary gearing so that 1st gear low-speed riding is smoother and more livable. I have a CR, which already has steeper gearing for an 1125, and you need to be going at least 18-20 mph or you'll get the herky jerky. Your Tiger makes very similar power to a Uly (Tiger has a little more HP, a little less TQ, and little more weight), so I'm not seeing the glaring difference here. Like I already said, if Buell wanted to build a street-only sport tourer, the 1125 is a great engine to work with. But for anything remotely off-road, it's just way less than ideal. I love my Buells but would NEVER take them on long distance travels... I wish I could. I'm not sure what's stopping you. I assure you they can take it. I did Upstate NY to Suches, GA (1000 miles) over two days with no issues, and on a Firebolt, no less. Let that engine sing a little and she'll smooth right out, with more than enough power. (Message edited by xl1200r on October 23, 2008) (Message edited by xl1200r on October 23, 2008) | ||
| Pariah |
"you need to be going at least 18-20 mph or you'll get the herky jerky" Hmmmm... my R is pretty smooth above 10mph now. Lower than that, clutch work... | ||
| Zac4mac |
My R will run fine at IDLE in 1st and 2nd. Seems 2nd is around 13-14 mph. Z | ||
| Xl1200r |
I would think that running at idle is a little different than trying to feather the throttle on and off and just above idle. But I'm willing to proven wrong on this, and will try some real slow speed stuff around the parking lot before I go home today. I still don't think this makes the 1125 a good "adventure" engine, though. BMW stil puts the Boxer in the GS bikes, and Ducati puts the 90hp air-cooled motor in the Hypermotard. | ||
| Jaimec |
The boxer is a low-revving "thunker" of an engine. It's perfect in its current state of tune for the GS. It's also why there's no "K" version of the GS. Right tool for the right job. The air-cooled XB engine is perfect for an Adventure-tourer like the Ulysses, down low grunt with no need for stratospheric revs. Unless, you're looking for a two-wheeled poseur of a bike like those so-called "Sport Utility Vehicles" that would fall apart or get stuck if you ever actually tried to take them offroad. There are plenty of those available too (think V-Strom or Multistrada). | ||
| Jespo_m2 |
Tuning will solve the power curve issue with the 1125. Your 1125R has sportbike tuning.. you are comparing apples and oranges. The tiger has the 955i motor... same as the Daytona but tuned for its application and works great. Buell can do the same with the 1125 in a Uly-type bike... which I would expect them to do. If you are happy riding 1000 miles on your Firebolt in one trip... then I can see why you dont need a Uly-type bike... but most of here would probably not want to take Firebolt on a 1000 mile trip. I'm not looking for a dirt bike... I'm looking for bike with comfortable ergos with an engine that can run smooth at low and high RPM's and makes enough power for me to QUICKLY get out of harms way at HW speeds. As great as the air cooled motor is... it is NOT that great at accelerating at HW speeds. Triumph never claimed that the Tiger was great offroad... I wouldnt expect the a Uly-R to be as well.... The Uly is not that great offroad either. That's what DR-Z's or KTM's are for. Again... apples and oranges. | ||
| Jaimec |
Then build an honest-to-God SPORT TOURER with the engine. No need for the "Off Road Pretense." You can also make it a LOT more comfortable for pounding out miles if you don't have to build a make-believe dirt bike to do a Sport Tourer's job. | ||
| Ccryder |
Yeah well maybe someone will use a few of my ideas seen here: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/369913.html?1213799586  At Home Coming there were many Engr types that were looking VERY closely to what I had done. Some how me thinks they might offer at least some add on's that would make up something like my 1125r/t. Time4Lunch. | ||
| Terp84alum |
Well, they're going to need to do something because neither bike has done very well. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
I would think that running at idle is a little different than trying to feather the throttle on and off and just above idle. But I'm willing to proven wrong on this, and will try some real slow speed stuff around the parking lot before I go home today. IIRC your engine is barely broke in. It'll get smoother with miles. Also, check your throttle cable adjustment. Mine was pretty loose from the factory, made a noticeable difference when the throttle cables were snugged up a bit. | ||
| Jespo_m2 |
Ccryder... I think you should be working for/with Buell's marketing/design team. I know that Erik keeps mentioning that sport tours do not sell but... I think times have changed. Tour bikes sell great when they look like over-sized dirt bikes... and they look cool too.  It's great having a bike that can ride smooth over bumpy roads. Where I live (Boston area), there are road bumps that practically cause you to get kicked off the bike... especially at night time when you can't see them. This is not the case with the tall tourers. | ||
| Bearly |
I think there is something to be said for simplicity for a long range, comfortable on off road bike. I was down in Costa Rica last year and passed a couple of guys on mud covered uly's just having a blast. (no pun) What a great bike with such a simple maintenance program. No valves to adjust, and having split my share of radiators off road... air cooled is nice most of the time. my 2¢ I've just down one long (3500 miles) on my Uly. I did it riding with a ZZR1200. I never got left by myself (except going around Chattanooga up hill) and of course it did better in the corners. Much more comfortable and much smoother at cruise speed and over the pavement riding around Dallas. I don't think I could EVER have enough horse power and would always want more. ok... my 3¢ | ||
| Slypiranna |
If BMC/HD offered a TARGET build/per customer, would this help? | ||
| Slypiranna |
Bull's eye met! Seriously, a virtual build, on the internet...turned into reality by your local dealer...based upon a potential buyer's wants? Would this help? mm | ||
| Xl1200r |
Bads - I've got over 1100 miles on it now, but I'll check the throttle cables. I know they're a little looser than I like, so that may help. | ||
| Chameleon |
If BMC/HD offered a TARGET build/per customer, would this help? It seems that's what they're doing with the new Customizer Garage feature on http://harley-davidson.com/ Perhaps something like that is in the works for the Buell website? | ||
| Dragstang |
the uly 1125r looks awsome! i vote for the uly seating position with hard bags. more sport touring than adventure. the uly seat is so awsome. already looking forward to new model release date. this thread is what i've been hoping for in a bike. randy |
