| Author | Message | ||
     Bads1 |
What kind of horsepower are the Europeon XB12's are putting out at the tire and crank.And what are the differences between the US and Euro model???? edited by Bads1 on November 18, 2003 | ||
| Daves |
At the crank 103 At the ground anywhere from 88 to 95 depending on who's dyno. Ride to the edge! Dave Iowa HD/Buell (Buell Cycle Center) | ||
| Buckinfubba |
103 at the crank and depending on the dyno 88 to 91 or 92 is what I've seen as far as the diffrences I'll let you do the math.... or if you meant whats the "differences" the crank is just what it says...at the crank shaft. to get to the wheel it ha s to go thru the tranny the primary the rear drive and the move the wheel and to the ground. so thats where the transfer is at. is that what you meant | ||
| Buckinfubba |
dave get to work...oh wait I ain't doin nuthin either | ||
| Bads1 |
Sorry guys look at my post again.I was in a hurry when I posted.SORRY!!!! | ||
| Buckinfubba |
good god dana were here to help you out and thats what you do to us......god thank god my dog loves me.... I belive erik said something about this at the dinner and the euros were only a hp or 2 different. but I ain't sure | ||
| Bads1 |
Yeah I remember he said something to but don't recall.I have the whole thing on video of his presentation.I'll have to review.The reason why I ask is I emailed the hillbillys regarding that street fighter pipe called the GANGSTA and they said it improves the Euro model but they have never been able to run it on a US model.Do ya maybe see where I'm going with this Brian???Or maybe I'm just thinking to much. | ||
| Buckinfubba |
well if they are using the race ecm with it...then it don't matter because the reace ecm is the same no matter where be it here in america or there in europe. I looked on there site and couldn't find that pipe at all. plus I couldn't get the english version of it. | ||
| Bads1 |
Bubba its on the gold green color bike with swept up tail says BDR on the muffler. | ||
| Awprior |
Dana, Since I missed that dinner... Any chance you can dub that tape? Alex awprior@hotmail.com | ||
| Bads1 |
Yeah Alex I could lots asking about it. | ||
| 99buellx1 |
Heck, I was there and I would like a copy of it. Craig  | ||
| Daves |
I would like one too, or I could just copy Craig's. Ride to the edge! Dave | ||
| Kaudette |
I'd certainly be interested to hear about any differences between the European and US models as I have an EU 12S and am thinking about ways to get a better kick @ 5G without a dip down low... | ||
| Dasxb9s |
I thought the euro model buells were "dumbed up" HP wise to meet some limitations... as I recall... the XB9 models in 2003 has like 5 or so less HP than US models. | ||
| Dasxb9s |
From Buell.com for the United Kingdom "Power 61.9kW-84.2hp @ 7400 rpm (EU standard EC95/1) 69kW-92hp @ 7200 rpm (US standard SAE J607) Torque 85.6Nm-63ft-lb @ 5600 (EU standard EC95/1) 92Nm-68 ft-lb @ 5500 rpm (US standard SAE J607) I AM LOOKING FOR XB12 specs | ||
| Dasxb9s |
again from Buell.com EU standard = 100 HP and 81 ft-lb US standard = 103 HP and 84 ft-lb | ||
| Dasxb9s |
SO... is that an actual difference between EU and US specs... or are the means to measure an "apples and oranges" comparison???? ...due to the method used to quantify. | ||
| Bads1 |
Dasxb9s did Buell'S sight happen to tell why the small difference or is there something in the spec list that would give it away???? | ||
| Dasxb9s |
Bads1 The information is from spec lists for the two models... some gleaned from the North American site... the other from the United Kingdom site... it seems I read someplace that the operator licensing is somehow restricted to classification to horse power/displacement and restrictions on experience riding or restrictions to age and horse power limitations... at least in the UK. I was thinking there was some common tie in Europe on vehicle & licensing that somehow made these EU models managed differently. It seems I have read someplace where there are many models that are dumbed down HP wise in europe in comparison the US models of the same bike. I know that Honda for example offers small displacement cruisers for sale in the UK that US buyers can't get... the smallest Shadow series in the US is 600cc... in the UK it is something like 250cc models in the shadow series or a like model. I don't think I answered your question any better than before... sorry!!! In the case of the Buells... my WAG (wild ass guess) would be somehow via ECM the engine output is limited to the EU specs... MAYBE???? changing out to a US ECM would gain back to the US specs... JUST A GUESS!!! There is a guy that goes by Court on the bad web that is a wealth of information... look up his profile... email him... and he may have a fast and specific answer for you. | ||
| Bluefirebolt |
Maybe we can verify it trough the part no for the ECM's ? if there's only one number they're all the same Yes? otherwise we'll know only by triyng! | ||
| Stot |
On the 9, the ECM and exhaust pipe were different, I would imagine its the same on the 12. the EU ECM would probably be tweaked at the 3500 point too as thats where our emissions and sound tests are done. I think I read someplace about a new EU regulation relating to the 100hp mark on bikes but I cant remember what it was now probably a tax thing or somethin, but that probably has a point to play in the release at 100hp. Buell knows it wont stay there long but they sell the bike within the limits to please the customers.. Cya Stot | ||
| Dasxb9s |
Yes... part numbers would tell for sure... having said that... I really don't know if the part number is easy to see on an installed ECM... and on an XB?R isn't the ECM under the fairing... on my XB9S it is under the seat... not too difficult to get to... and I don't remember if the number can be seen (I have a race kit on my XB)... and the original ECM in in a box someplace in my shop... I am sure the XB9 and XB12 will have a different ECM... Bluefirebolt... I am impressed with your english... it is a difficult language as a second language. I always wanted to learn a second language... and after 49 years of english... I am still learning... and still dumbfounded by the "rules of the language". Words pronounced way different than spelled... or one word with half a dozen meanings or spelling variations when pronounced the same... silent letters... I use that for an excuse for being poor at spelling!! I have great respect from anyone who has learned to read & write a second language!! I have always said I would never dream of traveling to another country without a working knowledge of the spoken & written language. Stot... I am also amazed with the subtle differences between American English and the Kings English... kinda makes ya wonder if it all started out in England... and how it got twisted between there... Canada... Australia... and the US!!! Four countries divided by a common language!!! ...and how did we end up driving on different sides of the road... anyway??? I'd get myself killed either by on coming traffic or by running off on a curve from being on "the wrong side of the road" if I ever made it to the UK on a bike... By the way...some of the best bike magazines I have seen are from the UK! NOT FAIR!!! | ||
| Buckinfubba |
I am learning a second language and man is it hard....It called hillbilly (southern USA)   man I crack myself up sometimes....I already know hoosier language(MIDWEST USA) I guess I should learn proper english.... on second thought to hell with that | ||
| Squiz13 |
I reckon the only difference you will find in the euro and usa quoted horsepower figures is the fact they are different measurements like inches and centimetres. I have looked through lots of available material and found no difference in part numbers except for things like decals for different markets !!! All the bits that matter or could make a difference are the same part numbers except of course for bloody california ??????? (smogworld) | ||
| Squiz13 |
one other thing the only legislation in the uk about hp limits is to set a voluntary (read ignore) 125 bhp limit on bikes. Seeing as how the Buell cant even get there it aint an issue plus restricted bikes are 400cc and below for riders just passed their test.Unless they take the test for an unlimited bike where they can then have unlimited cc and hp. Hope that clears something up (clear as ditchwater eh ?) | ||
| Squiz13 |
Quote from dasxbs I am also amazed with the subtle differences between American English and the Kings English... kinda makes ya wonder if it all started out in England... and how it got twisted between there... Canada... Australia... and the US!!! Four countries divided by a common language!!! end quote. Thats easy to answer das, We ruled all those places you mentioned and when we left you too it you changed it to a dialect rather than a true dialogue  This is said with my tongue firmly in my cheek before any wants a flame war !!! | ||
| Bluefirebolt |
Dasxb9s thanks for your kind words for me.but english is my third language;first is dutch,then french and finally english,for us Belgians is it a normal thing!I've spend a lot off time in england with the bike and i find it very funny riding on the other side,i can take the roundabouts on the left then,it's much fun! | ||
| Dasxb9s |
Squiz13... I bet the colonies were such a disappointment! It seemed we all turned on you... we were such ungrateful bastards after the attempt to try and civilize the world. Damn if we didn't muck it up! :-) Have you ever visited the US? Try traveling across our country!!! New England... the deep south... Texas... Pacific North West... West Virginia... HELL... I can't understand half of what they are saying... and I have lived here my whole life!!! But than again... I have been around some people from Ireland and Scotland... and in some cases had no clue anything they said was in English!!! I have a buddy (mate) who crossed the pond and now lives here who is former SAS... We have had some great conversations discussing such subjects... My father was a World War II veteran... and spent some time in England... he loved it... and talked about it often... he did not talk much about the other places he went. Hey... no hard feels at all... come to my place for Thanksgiving (Thursday the 27th). | ||
| Squiz13 |
lol, Glad you got the gist of what I posted Seems french is one of the most common languages in the world as well from the bits they owned but I must admit I dont understand a word of that either. I would love to get "across the pond" but kids and a weird lifestyle means that wont be possible for a long time yet !!! I spend too much on bikes to spend it on air fares | ||
| Dasxb9s |
Bluefirebolt... Now I really feel like "the ugly American"... three languages... wow. My son (he is 14 years old)... he wants to learn German... I advised him he needs to learn Spanish... since the US is getting to the point that Spanish is the second most spoken language. So he tells me he will do both German and Spanish when he goes to college. I am about to give up on learning english!!! ...and I could not remember that the UK called the controlled chaos areas roundabouts... they are called traffic circles here... and are rare.. and smaller than the ones I have see from video in UK. No one knows how to properly travel through them here... resulting in many near accidents!!! ...and I see them as a common thing in UK... and shake my head... and am happy we don't use them much!!!! I could see me getting kill in the UK from either not being able to drive on the "wrong side" of the road... or from Brits who chase me down and beat me down for being too stupid to operate on their roads... factor roundabouts in to it... and I would for sure be done!!! You are also welcome for Thanksgiving at my place! Sqiuz13... I remember reading someplace that the French were rejecting words in their use that are not of French origin... refusing to incorporate words of other languages into their language... they were rejecting the english word "E-mail"... and were creating their own original word for that word. Hell... if we did that... we would lose about half the listings in our dictionary... we have been stealing and bastardizing words from other languages forever!!! What is up with the frogs??? :-) | ||
| Squiz13 |
oh well thats the french for you The roads over here in the uk are surprisingly safe a lot safer than france believe me. And roundabouts are where all our aspiring race boys learn to get their knees on the tarmac (blacktop) for the first time  Both my kids speak german and french as well as english and are nearly as fluent in them as english I struggle with english | ||
| Stot |
I love Paris in rush hour,  London is a breeze in comparisson, and round abouts are easy.. if someones comming dont go! Unless you were setting up for that knee down in which case get on the gas to get ahead of the guy thats on the roundabout.  Cya Stot | ||
| Bluefirebolt |
I'm thinking a longtime about visiting the USA.Maybe this summer,i want to take my bike along but that would be to expensive and i also need aplace to stay? anyone?(bikergirl?) |
