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Cringblast
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I hate to keep posting about issues BUT today looking at the drive belt noticed rub thru. The cord is showing on most of the outside. I checked the guards and all looks good. While backing the bike I noticed a rubbing sound. It only rubs while backing. Going forward all is good.
Why would the belt travel different while backing than forward. Any ideas ? besides the water in the headlamp and the belt the CR is running great !!!!!!! Plus to keep uall with whats goen on.
C.

(Message edited by cringblast on September 24, 2008)
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Jpfive
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This subject has been discussed since the first R's were delivered. When I picked mine up on January 5th, it was already an issue.

There were two bikes on the floor that day - mine and one other. The first thing I did was to check the belts for 'fraying' and rubbing. Both bikes had the identical section of the outer belt chord showing through, with some loose thread that looked like fraying. Neither was rubbing on the belt guard.

My conclusion at the time was that it was a normal condition of production, as there was no delamination or unraveling. I chose not to worry about it, and it has caused me no problems. In 7000 miles the condition has not progressed any further.

I have had occasion since then to observe other R's, and have not seen one yet that did not have the frayed look on some portion of the belt edge. IMHO, I don't think that this is a real issue - and come to think of it, I don't remember hearing of any belt problems on our bikes that can be traced to this.

Enjoy your bike!

Jack
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Ponti1
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 to Jpfive's input. I've had the outer cord showing on my belt since well before the break-in service. I did shim the lower belt guard with a small 1.5mm thick washer at each of the two lower mount points, but am not sure if it made much difference. Have not seen any progression in the wear of the belt since I first noticed it.

My dealer, while possibly full of it, went so far as to explain to me that the cords in the belt are each rated strong enough by themselves to handle the load of the bike, and that there are five cords in total. IF that is true, I'd say there's plenty of redundancy to keep you going.

Maybe that's why they call it a lifetime belt??
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D_buckle
Posted on Wednesday, September 24, 2008 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is that why i allready broke one?
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Jpfive
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 07:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know, D... But, out of curiosity, can you see cord at any point on the outside edge of the replacement belt?

Jack
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Mquack996
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can do the shim thing, but more than likely in a few more miles it will wear the belt guard enough to provide the clearance it needs.
Your belt will be fine. It takes a lot to snap one.
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Edgydrifter
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine has showed cord on the outside since day 1. I've checked the path and I can't find anyplace that it's rubbing against the guard. I also hear/feel a whine off-throttle that I suspected was friction against the belt. Now I don't think that's the case. More likely it's noise from the straight-cut gears in the tranny.
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Cringblast
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The only time it is rubbing is when I am backing, like out of the garage. It rubs on the tensioner/foot peg bracket. The travel of the belt moves towards the bracket when backin, then no rubbing when going forward. I checked the guards and that is fine. If there were times I didnt have to back I wouldnt.
C.
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Cringblast
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BUMP
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Pridayr
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just keep an eye on it... Rubbing shouldn't cause an instant catastrophic failure.

Rob
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Brent1125russ
Posted on Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am pretty familiar with HTD style belts, and I can tell you that when most manufacturers cut the sides of their belts to proper specs, they end up nicking into a cord and exposing it. It does not affect the performance of the belt, but it is pretty shoddy looking.

On a V-belt, load is transfered by the friction generated by the sidewall of the belt (A.K.A. cross-section) and the sheave. On an H.T.D. style belt, the torque is transfered through the teeth, so as long as there is no damage to the teeth, life is peachy.

Maybe Opti-belt (Germany) makes this style belt. They are the only manufacturer right now who fully extrudes their belts thus leaving the cords fully wrapped in rubber and much neater looking. They are also so precise that you can grab a couple V-belts randomly off the shelf and they will be pair matched, leave it to the Germans to figure it out first.

My belt guard rubbed a bit when I got my bike, but a little tug and all is well.
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