| Author | Message | ||
     Kcfirebolt |
Check out the underframe exhaust http://www.motorcycledaily.com/23october03_ktm_rc8concept.htm | ||
| Rocketman |
And Buell should take one out of KTM's and build a 999.8cc 75% V twin liquid cooled gear driven ohc balancer shaft dry sump motor weighing 58kg. Incidentally they got the idea for the exhaust from GP bikes, perhaps because they race in GP's UNLIKE........... Rocket  | ||
| Blake |
KTM Race GP??? | ||
| Xgecko |
yes Blake 125's remember | ||
| Rocketman |
KTM entered 125GP's this season, several top ten finishes, a handful in the top 5 and 1 visit to the podium. Of course there were several DNF's too but at least they made the grid! Incidentally, KTM has been working on a 990cc V4 MotoGP engine for two years - but plans to enter a machine in the series have now been shelved because of the costs involved. However, the firm is continuing to develop the engine, which is 80% complete. It plans to finish the motor then either sell the entire project to another company or to manufacture the V4 itself and lease it to existing GP teams. Of further note to Buell \ HD enthusiasts - the KTM invasion of US dirt track racing........  The 950cc twin was revealed in public for the first time at the Scioto Downs round of the U.S. Flat Track series on October 13 with rider Joe Kopp. The bike was kept in its stock bodywork for the demo laps. When it is raced, the bodywork will be replaced by competition parts. Kopp rode a Harley-Davidson XR750 last season, but has enjoyed the new bike. He said " It’s got more motor at the top end than my Harley. " The KTM will also benefit from further development as opposed to the American bike, which is based around a 30-year-old design. There are no plans to mass-market the flat-tracker at the moment, but it would be the ultimate toy if you had enough space in your garden for a dirt oval. Then there was the Foggy which some of you doubted existed never mind would make a homologation special The Foggy-Petronas FP-1 road bike is now on sale. There are just 100 of the bikes on offer, which have been produced as homologation specials to allow the manufacturer to race in the World Superbike series. They are available on a first-come, first-served basis, so you’ll have to be quick. If you are one of the lucky 100, you’ll get a bike putting out 127bhp, and weighing 181kg. You’ll need to have deep pockets to afford one because they don’t come cheap. Go Here To Order One Rocket | ||
| José_quiñones |
Don't forget Supermoto, Rocket, KTM is also heavily involved in the new AMA Supermoto Series and is very well represented there.  READY TO RACE, indeed. edited by josé_quiñones on October 23, 2003 | ||
| Racerboy |
KTM's market share in the US is now the same as BMW's and growing...While BMW's is shrinking...The LC8 is, from all accounts, an incredible engine and when we get it in a street bike next year it's going to be tough to ignore...But why would you want to...Only thing is the price point should be in beemer land also...A recent review of the Duke II that I read stated that it was the first dual sport that did not feel compromised in either mode, off or on road...But you need to have buns of steel (or an after market seat)...KTM is a real comer... See Ya! Bob | ||
| Crusty |
A couple of years ago, people said the same thing about TL1000 Suzukis, VTR Hondas and Ducks. A Suzuki made it into the main this year. I think it finished last, or pretty damned close to last. While every sneers at the "old tech" pushrod XR750s, they continue to kick everyone's ass. The XR is the most successful racing engine ever made. And it's a lot more sophisticated than most people realize. I like pushrod engines. They work well and feel great. If I didn't love Buells so much, I'd probably be riding a Moto Guzzi. | ||
| Court |
>>>>Our design approach is very simple. Should read: The design approach is very simple. My KTM 250MX was one of the most astounding motorcycles I've ever owned. | ||
| S320002 |
Anyone notice the positioning of the rider on the Supermoto? The bike is leaned in with rider's weight on the "wrong" side. Who was it that said said that couldn't work? | ||
| Bomber |
funny, ain't it, how ever couple of years or so, a foctory enters the "primitaive" sport of flat tracking, intended to blow the 1930s technology into the weeds . . . . . of all the manufacturers that did so since the Brits handed themselves their lunch, Honda was the sole maker that could prevail over the XR750s, at who know what cost (while I great admire, repeat, greatly, the engineering and manufacturing ability of Honda, it always seems like the Yankees taking the pennet . . .can't help but feel they bought it somehow) XR750s are, as the Crustmeister wrote, much more sophisticated that most realize, and has had benefit of decades of development | ||
| Racerboy |
In my post above I was mistaken in my identification of the KTM dual sport...It was the 950 Adventure that was reviewed with great gusto in MCN...Sorry... Bob | ||
| Glitch |
Who was it that said said that couldn't work? Just try that with a street bike, and get back to me. Those bikes are taller and way lighter. Therefore being different from a street bike, you have to ride it different... | ||
| Josh_ |
The KTM 950 is supposed to do 139MPH and the 1/4 in 11.1 Not bad for a dirt bike. My wrench is a dealer so I get to drool over them in the showroom. He sells 'em too fast to get a demo ride yet. >>Who was it that said said that couldn't work? >Just try that with a street bike, Last group ride I was on an experienced rider was on his new dual-sport. He couldn't decide which way to corner (street style or dirt style) and kept alternating. Looked pretty funny  I don't think he had decided by the end of the ride which was better. | ||
| Tripper |
SHE DOES NOT COME IN PEACE - SHE COMES FROM KTM.  wow. i want it. | ||
| Bomber |
me too . . .. . along with a thruxton and one fo those old timey Ducks, and one of those cool guzzis . . .. THIS is the golden age of motorcycling, gents -- no doubt about it | ||
| Dynarider |
That bike is the new KTM superbike entry. There is a writeup on both it & the new Duke in this months Motorcyclist. | ||
| Edmanning |
Boy Howdy a tube frame, Not sure how comfy it would be huggin that tank but I like the look. I'll take one. Ed "Hillbilly" Manning | ||
| M2me |
Who was it that said said that couldn't work? Just try that with a street bike, and get back to me. Those bikes are taller and way lighter. Therefore being different from a street bike, you have to ride it different... I remember that discussion. Yes, it will work on a streetbike. The laws of physics don't know the difference. | ||
| S320002 |
Correct. | ||
| Henrik |
The bike is leaned in with rider's weight on the "wrong" side. Who was it that said said that couldn't work? Well, they lean the bike in that way in order to slow down by getting the rear to slide and come around. Would it work on a street bike - if you can ride like Rossi or Nicky hayden ... sure. Henrik | ||
| S320002 |
Henrik, Next time you get a chance, watch an HD or Goldwing motorcycle drill team. They use the "wrong" side turn technique to make very tight turns. The only sliding involved is the floor boards on the pavement. | ||
| Henrik |
Greg; I've seen those drill teams, and for slow turns sure. And I remember Grizzly (dutch MC police instructor) telling me that they use that technique for really tight twisty stuff as well. But in the shot of the supermoto bike it is most likely going a bit faster than the drill teams  For anything faster than parking lot speeds, I know *I* don't have the skills to get away with backing it in like that. And if you're not backing it in, physics dictate that available traction decreases at higher lean angles. Really don't want to get into a riding tech discussion, but spending a weekend with guys that *can* do it, has convinced me it'll be awhile before *I* try it at speed on pavement Henrik | ||
| Davegess |
Henrik, that sitting on top of the bike thing will work fine at pretty good rates of speed. I don't mean to back it in, I wouldn't try that on pavement. But as long as you get the bike leaned over it will turn. Leaning off will help it turn faster, I mean execute the change of direction faster, and will help the bike go around a givien turn faster. Sitting up on top of the bike, and notice that the rider is not really leaning the wrong way just pushing the bike down underneath him, will help give you more control if the back end starts to slide. The weight on top of the bike will also help keep the bike from highsiding. I doubt that it would help much on a big bike but it certainly helps on a little bike. You can easily get the bike to turn by simply pushing it down under you while you stay upright. You can go plenty fast while you do it also. Dave | ||
| Court |
CHILD: Father I feel a strange distrubance in the Force......as if a dozen old men from NY, TX, WI and such places are about to be bruised and battered. FATHER: Fear not, my son. For the gnomes are idiots who are going no place they've not ventured before. You shall know when they have collectively assimilated their info and (as the one in Colorado says) "acquired their data points", as they shall all giggle aloud inu a host of languages.....as an Aussie yells..."LET'S DO THAT AGAIN". They're not like us; for they are ELVES, under the mind control of an engineer in Wisconsin. | ||
| M2me |
It's deja vu all over again! I thought about it this summer as I was riding and I discovered that I use that technique every freakin day! Everybody does whether they are aware of it or not. You shift a little weight to the outside of a slow speed turn. It'll work on dirt bikes, street bikes, even Gold Wings. | ||
| Davegess |
OK Court so if you really want to see some B&B (bruised and battered)action encourage the elves to try this on pavement; Charge the corner, go in deep and then shut off the throttle, hit the rear brake hard and push the bike down underneath you. The rear end will start to come around and all you have to do is wait until you are pointed the direction you want to go and release the rear brake and pick the bike up. Easy. I've seen Bostrom and Hayden do it a number of times Of course if the rear tire regains traction BEFORE you have the bike picked up and headed in the right direction the thing will highside you so hard they will need a backhoe to get you out of the pavement! I suggest trying this at 20 mph in dirt first, make sure it is nice soft dirt. Dave | ||
| Bomber |
Court -- Dave G is right . . . . go to any flattrack or TT race, and watch the action . .. Motocross is the same . . .the super motard guys do it too . . .. practice in the dirt is good, as Mr Gess writes, as it tends to hurt less while you learn . . . . riding fast is subject to many of the same forces as other interests, that is, fashion .. . . til Kenny Roberts (I spose I should add Senior to the statement), backing it in to corners was heresy (and painful), as was dragging a knee . . . . the current crop of trackday teachers who recommend never using the rear brake are simply caught between two fashions . . .. . . . one sez never use it, none of the fast guys do, the other fashion has it that Mick Doohan (no slouch) uses his, therefore, everyone should. There are as many fast ways around a corner as there are fast guys . . . . find one that works for you, and enjoy it | ||
| Court |
Dudes: You will recall that my introduction to all things Buell came at THE SACRAMENT MILE in 1987. I was there with the team I was sponsoring for the Grand Nationals when I spied the first RR-1000. (the work I was doing at Arden Fair Mall was pretty much a tax .....,er..that's another tale) I used to LIVE for standing in Turn 1 at Sacramento and Springfield. The last person I was do the "back a street bike into a corner" was on Booth Lake/Townline Road near Camp Alice Chester. I think he's an enigneer in Wisconsin, but I don't recall the name. In fact, I remember now, it was a "professinal rider - on a closed course" near that location. Yeah...that's it! | ||
| Davegess |
"think he's an enigneer in Wisconsin" He would never do that. Nor would go around you on the ourside of turns on Road X dragging his knee. And he certainlt neve did a wheelie past teh cop shop in ET. Didn't happen. Nope. I wasn't there. I didn't see it. You can't make me tell. I don't know anything. speaking of backing it it... I rememeber Mr. Brown decidiing the only way he was going to set best time at a Battle trax was by backing it into the last turn. So he did at about 40mph. Alsmost made it to. Then the tire hooked up and that M2 stood right up and the only part of MB touching the bikes was his hands. Than he came back down in the saddle. Didn't crash, just lucky, but he talked kinda funny for a few hours. Things kinda calmed down after that. dave |
