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Fresnobuell
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2008 - 09:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Last round of Cdn Superbike...looks like Steve C. is following up last week's encouraging results with an even stronger effort this weekend. He is 4th fastest among a field of 30 or so 1000cc Japanese rivals.

I smell another podium this weekend...I would LOVE to see what that higher horsepower engine is putting out (podium finishers go thru mandatory post-race dyno testing.)

http://www.cdnsuperbike.com/index.php?option=com_c ontent&task=view&id=1123&Itemid=219
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Ponti1
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2008 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Very cool! I'm out of the loop on the "higher horsepower engine" though. Is it modified, or a different version altogether? Any more info available?
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2008 - 11:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not alot of info out on that new engine. I believe the rules for Canadian superbike specify that the engines have to be production-based, so I would think that it a modified version of the stock engine. Typically, V-Twins have a bit more freedom to tweak versus its IL4 counterpart. Anyone please correct me if I am giving mis-info here...
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Anonymous
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2008 - 12:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

160 rwhp. Still 25 down on the best Suzukis, but it's coming along. Just modified slightly, not a different engine at all.
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Ponti1
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2008 - 01:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the info, Fresno and Anony!

I'd certainly take the 160rwhp without complaint!
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2008 - 01:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

160 rwhp. Still 25 down on the best Suzukis, but it's coming along. Just modified slightly, not a different engine at all.

Getting close to competitive power...NOT good for the rest of the field!

Anony, if you can divulge--how is it the extra power being attained? Is the power delivery V-Twin-like or pushed towards the top end?

Sounds like a good start to the 2010 1125RR version!!!
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2008 - 05:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fres,

Most likely the extra 25-30 RWHP is achieved in the 1125R mill in much the same way most race engines are augmented, such as some or all of... higher compression, increased rev limit, hotter cams, head porting, race tuned exhaust, race-tuned fuel and ignition mapping, racing alternator/generator. The racing engine is likely stronger across the entire rev range but tuned for optimum race performance, from ~6K through whatever the rev limit might be.
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Indy_bueller
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2008 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

160 rwhp. Still 25 down on the best Suzukis, but it's coming along. Just modified slightly, not a different engine at all.

Interesting. The comparos I've seen with dyno results put the stock 1125R at around 130 RWHP. Modified "slightly" it's giving 160? That seriously rocks! I'd like to see what a "heavily" modified Helicon could do!
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Pridayr
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2008 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anonymous: Obviously you are posting as anonymous for a reason, but are you affiliated with a race team? What else can you tell us about what "slightly modified" means?

Thanks for any info!

Rob
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Mustangturbo
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 12:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would really like to know if any of these parts are going to be made available for 1125R enthusiasts... I would like to at least see new heads and cams, so that I can put them in mine!
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Doerman
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 11:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting changes to the pods.


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Diablo1
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What else can you tell us about what "slightly modified" means?

Slightly modified means they did every modification they could think of to get more power with reliability in the time available.

The latest version of the pods looks like the hot air exits on the sides, not at the rear of the bike like on the original design. It looks more conventional too, and better to my eye. All they have to do now is to narrow the beak.}
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Redbuelljunkie
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

More conventional, improved cooling, and looks better... that's a combination I like. I guess form and function do not have to be enemies.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Those pods are for race only.
If you ran those at "town speed" you will overheat as there are no fans.

Z
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Jpfive
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 05:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And they're not worrying about the cost of plastic either, Zac. I like the OEM pods.

Jack

(Message edited by jpfive on August 31, 2008)
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Buellborn
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 08:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow what a clean looking design!
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Krassh
Posted on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Crevier ended up 5th today on the 1125R. Shame he did not podium as I would have liked to see the Dyno results.
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Responsible
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.cdnsuperbike.com/index.php?option=com_c ontent&task=view&id=1170&Itemid=219
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Krassh
Posted on Monday, September 01, 2008 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Surprised they did the top five on the Dyno. They only did the top three at round 1. Not bad 9 pounds lighter and a little over 16 horse power increase since round 1.

Round 1
409 weight
138.04 hp

Round 7
400 weight
150.74 hp

Still 10 shy of the 160 rwhp annoy claimed above.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Might be different dynos. Dynojets report higher values than do Superflow and some others.
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Krassh
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 06:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is true.
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Responsible
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 07:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The PMP dyno typically reads about 5% lower than most shop dynos. Probably because of the settings they use for the software. It's good for a shop to generate big dyno numbers. ; )

Not necessary for the series dyno though.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is there one "official" dyno that the series uses? I can imagine that there might be some anxiety over using other dynos that may or may not jive with the series dyno(s). Neat info....
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