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Misterrich
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Its getting pretty hot here in Nebraska and my bikes temp is always over 200 degrees while riding around town. And the fuel boils constantly. Was riding around for several hours in the hot sun and noticed my legs were getting fried. At the time it didn't seem that hot but after a few hours i had to call it quits and ride home. When i got home my inner thighs were red and felt like a bad sunburn. Soon after that a couple small blisters popped up.
I checked the fluids and everything was in specs. Both my fans work. I even wrapped the exhaust from end to end to help stop the heat. Nothing is working. Is there anything else i can do or am i just cursed with a hot bike? I read somewhere about a cooler running radiator fluid but cant seem to find it. If someone knows please post it for me. I love my 1125r more than any other bike i've had but if i cant fix this heat problem its going to have to go.
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Spectrum
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Engine Ice is the coolant your looking for.

Just curious what are you wearing? I do not have this problem although I can feel heat radiating from the engine near my thighs. But then I always wear full protective gear.

If your wearing shorts, shame on you!
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Xb9
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 10:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With Jean's I have the same problem, especially when idling stationary with my right leg on the ground.

When I'm wearing my Aerostitch which is completely Gortex lined, none of the heat get's through. It's actually cooler riding this bike when hot with the Aerostich than with jeans and a jacket.
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Jaimec
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 10:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What is it with Buells and burned legs?? Some kind of trademark or something??
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Misterrich
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just wear jeans. I dont race so i dont need the full protective gear. I mainly ride to and from work and around with my friends.
I'll go get some engine ice today and see how it works.
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Spectrum
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I dont race so i dont need the full protective gear.

Sorry, but I'm going to have to call BS on this one. Just because you don't race doesn't mean your body is any less susceptible to injury. Not to mention risk of an accident is even greater on the street than on the track.

Where is DiabloBrian when you need him: "Wear all you gear all the time. It's better to sweat than bleed."
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Jaimec
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The late Gasper Trama used to ask his students if they ever played stickball in the street (if you're from Queens as he was, you're more than familiar with this urban variation of baseball). Naturally, most of them would say "Yes, of course."

Next he'd ask if they'd ever slid into second base. He would get incredulous looks from everyone: "No! Your legs would get all scraped up!"

"So why would you just wear jeans or shorts on a motorcycle, then? Aren't you traveling a LOT faster than you can run if you're on a bike?"

No one ever PLANS on falling down. That's why they're called "accidents."
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Vincent
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

uhh-ohh more riding police. I have to laugh when people do this. If i wanna ride butt naked, at 1000 miles an hour, on the back wheel while standing on the seat backwards, i think it is my right to. I ride to school and have to walk around campus all day in Texas weather, so yup I prefer to wear shorts. Oh and get this.... sometimes I dont wear a helmet. Hey if I die then its my fault. Being unprotected just makes me ride that much safer. "To each their own"
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Jaimec
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Everyone has a right to a complete lack of common sense. God Bless America!

I just draw the line when MY insurance company decides I have to pay for YOUR stupidity...


(Message edited by jaimec on June 16, 2008)
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Spectrum
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have no problem with other folks right to choose.

But if your not going to wear the gear then just state that. If your going to given reasons then be factual or honest. I will never argue with a person that says I'm to hard headed, or stupid to wear gear.

Any other excuse/reason doesn't add up!
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Socoken
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Your insurance rates are as high as the market allows, and have NOTHING to do with who wears what gear!!!!!!!

You can get quotes from two different companies and they could differ by 2 THOUSAND dollars per year!!!!!! Try finding who does or doesnt wear helmets in there! Insurance companies charge the most they think they can and still sell.

Dont even effing think about rationalizing your safety policing on insurance. Its laughable!!!
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Socoken
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How about, "I dont want to suit up like tron to ride to the bank" for an excuse?
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Misterrich
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In a race your pushing the limits. Going as deep and as fast in the corners as you can. The chances of wiping out and high. So the full riding safety gear is needed.
Riding to and from work within the speed limit does not require full gear. You dont jump in your car to drive to work with a 4 point harness,roll cage and flame retardant suit do you? Thats what people in race cars wear. So why do motorcycles have to be different. There are casual riders on bikes also. Its not a right to choose its use whats needed. Safer is always better but sometimes you have to draw the line. Anyone that says you need full riding gear is a hypocrite because they dont get all suited up to drive a car.
I didn't post this for people to get on the safety kick i need help with a hot running bike. If you want to talk safety gear find another thread.
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Xnr
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the heat problem and I have no solution. I do not understand why some riders do not experience this excessive heat on the right thigh.

There are lots of variables ... ambient temp, stop-n-go, apparel, ergonomics, etc. For me, 90F ambient with a pair of jeans and any driving condition below 40 MPH that allows the coolant to get to the 200F level and riding is intolerable. It's just no fun. So, I park the "R" and get out the X1.

I have not tried the ColdTape that was suggested in another thread. The idea is to tape the frame/tank near the rear exhaust to reflect the heat away from the tank and lower the temperature of the fuel.


XnR
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Vincent
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 03:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah man, hot leg here as well. Im going to try to put some sort of insulation on the inside of the frame to help prevent heat transfer to the frame. The hot foot issue i believe is here to stay unless of course we can fit a heat shield of some sort. Ill play around with some insulators and let you know if I find something that works.
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Eddie
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Living in south Louisiana I understand hot. mid 90's and high humidity. Yes I have noticed it gets hot at a light or in stop and go traffic at full heat of the day. I have never burned my legs but have felt some heat. I don't keep my legs close to the bike while stopped and move them some to break the heat. Also when going spread your legs a little to cool them off. I love this bike. I always ride with full gear, jeans and boot. Hope this helps
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Josh_
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 04:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Get TechSpec grip pads and try to only touch the frame where the TechSpec is. Also, keep it gassed up.

Keep the RPMs down and do you best to get over 50MPH once in a while.

On the track with the RPMs always up it gets real quick real fast.
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Pariah
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's weird, and I know that the gear issue is controversial, but I can state from experience riding in the Texas (95F-105F) heat about every day, is that wearing some riding gear will make you cooler overall while riding (however counter-intuitive this may seem).

I wear aramid/Kevlar-reinforced (ICON) jeans with Bohn armor underneath and the combination breathes fairly well. This, plus riding boots, and the heat from my 1125R doesn't bother my legs AT ALL.

Of course, when I get to work, I immediately change out of all my sweaty gear into another set of clothes (shorts or whatever) waiting for me in my office... probably not an option for everyone, I realize.
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D_buckle
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My thighs get warm when im in heavy traffic and the bike is up around 95-98 degrees C, but its not to the stage of burning or being uncomfortable. The one thing that bugs me a little is if im at a light and my jeans are pulled slightly up my leg, it feels like the hair is burning off my legs. i Bought some header wrap so im sure that will solve that problem. When i wear my icon Kevlar riding pants i don't really feel the heat at all, and they are probably cooler in temperature talk than my jeans to wear! I seem to only wear my riding pants and boots when i know im going to a long stint, or i plan on doing something stupid, which usually happends anyways. But nothing it better than riding around town in My nike shocks, shorts, and a beater ; ) The girls love it
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Misterrich
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok i did a prerun and the temps maxed out at 199Degrees.
Flushed out 100% of the old junk and replaced it with the Engine Ice. The temperature was the same and i followed the same path and did the same things. Riding times were only 1 min off. The new temperature readings maxed out at 185. After my little test i rode it around a while trying to get the temps up. I couldn't get it over 187 no matter how hard i tried. I have the exhaust double wrapped so none of that heat resonates back into the engine compartment. Looks like the temp thing is fixed for now. If the heat problem comes back you can look for my video on youtube of an 1125r vs 5 pounds of C4.
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D_buckle
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Any pictures of your exhaust wrap job? I bought some black stuff today, just need to get the new belt on the bike and then ill do some wraping
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Misterrich
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I dont have any pics but i can take some. You dont need to take the headers off to wrap them either. I used 2 really long screwdrivers to feed the wrap up under the back side. I had the clamp already on and lose enough where i could force the material under it. Since the headers split on both sides i got creative. On the back end there is a sensor and the hose clamp was installed on the side farthest from the engine. I doubled back to the engine on the single pipe then jumped to the other pipe and single wrapped it. Once both single pipes were wrapped i went over them again and tied the 2 together so it looked like a wide flat pipe when done. Then i just double wrapped the entire pipe. The wrap i used is good to 2000degrees and is 1 inch thick. Makes it easier to wrap. I used the 2inch thick stuff on my xb9 and it was harder to go around the bends and looked sloppy.
I did have a problem getting off the heat shield. Both screws stripped out instantly with very little pressure. So i drilled all the way through the bolts and just pushed them out easily. Then installed some nice stainless hex heads that i could get a wrench on. From now on every bolt i pull a real bolt gets installed. I bought a crapload of metric bolts hehe.
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D_buckle
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 06:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Crap. I have the 2 inch stuff coming, i guess i will try it out and see how it goes! But yah post up pictures if you could! How much did you use?
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Brent1125russ
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 06:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I haven't had any heat problems on my bike, it's been running around 179-195 around here in Spokane, WA. I do notice that the fans pretty much run constantly when I'm not riding above 35mph, I'm not sure if this is normal.

To each his own, but if you all knew how my sister drives; you would not only wear full gear, you would wrap yourselves in 10 lbs of bubble wrap.
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Rick914
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 07:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I added some waterwetter to mine, but got some engine ice today...but how do I drain the coolant, I cant find a plug or a drain line?? I was going to pull a hose off but that will just drain a little.
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Misterrich
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the bottom bolt on the water pump is the drain. follow the hoses on the right side of the bike to the rear of the pod.
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Misterrich
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here are a couple pics of the wrap job. Its not pretty but it works.




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Misterrich
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh ya i forgot to add. Soak the wrap in water before you start.
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Rick914
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 09:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

HA..so it's been staring me in the face the whole time I've been looking for the dang thing...go figure =) Thanks Richard
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Xb9
Posted on Monday, June 16, 2008 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

to drain it completely, remove the left lower radiator hose, the lower water pump bolt (with the copper washer behind it) and the expansion tank hose. Flush with clean water to get all the antifreeze coolant out.

I use Redline Water Wetter and it runs at least 10 degrees cooler...great stuff.
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