| Author | Message | ||
     Kttemplar |
Helicon, The product from Markel Engineering is essentially the same thing as the buell race part. With the solenoid eliminator, you may still experience the same things described in the Buell part. They both do exactly the same thing. I liked the instructions and the customer support provided with the product from Markel Engineering. If you feel confident that you know exactly what you are doing, then I would go with the $6 part. If you are like me and do not take bikes apart on a regular basis then you might want to consider getting the part from Markel Engineering the support and detailed instructions are priceless. Mike | ||
| Helicon |
Mike, just out of curiosity, did you have any codes appear, or see the engine light come on when you tested it? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Buell is offering a module that plugs into the connector on the Buell 1125R wiring harness am I wrong in assuming that instructions will be included...doesn't sound too hard. | ||
| Kttemplar |
I did get an engine light which appeared and then cleared itself and a P---- code. Right now, I do not have an engine light. It is the same thing that will happen when you install the Buell part from what the description sounds like. If you do not install something, the light will stay on if you remove the solenoid from the system. With both of the devices, there is a chance that a light will appear and then clear itself and you may get the P----- code. The only way to be sure to not get any lights or codes at all is to get the race ECM. The device fixed the problem that was bothering me, which was the choking in third and the engine light I did get cleared itself. The detailed instructions made me feel better about diving into the bike, besides Buell did not have the part out when I bought the part from Markel. If I were to do it today I would buy the part from Markel Engineering, just for the fact that most factory parts that I have gotten, do not come with any instructions. If the Buell part comes with detailed instructions, then I would go with that. My comfort level in taking apart my bike, which is my primary mode of transportation, was worth the price I paid for the part at Markel. To me, buying the part from Buell is like working without a net and getting it from Markel Engineering is like having a safety net. For me that was worth $89.99. Besides, there is a 100% money back guarantee with Markel. If I did not feel satisfied with the part for any reason they will refund it with no questions asked. Mike (Message edited by kttemplar on June 19, 2008) | ||
| Helicon |
Mike, once again, thank you for your insight. I would love to get the race ECM, unfortunately I do not have "racing credentials." I think its a little ridiculous that we have to have a race license to get certain "go fast" parts for our motorcycles. Sad thing is that Buell use to offer the race ecm and exhaust with out making us jump through hoops, and that is no longer the case. | ||
| Zac4mac |
As I have said several times, there are 3 error codes(DTCs) that are associated with the solenoid. 1) fail high - ECM sees 5 volts on the solenoid feed, when the solenoid is physically removed. 2) fail low - shorted to ground 3) NO FEEDBACK - the TPS tells the ECM that nothing happened when it told the solenoid to actuate - the cable is removed or the "solenoid eliminator" is installed. Easiest fix is avoid the conditions that actuate the solenoid in the first place. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Easiest fix is avoid the conditions that actuate the solenoid in the first place. One of the true pleasures of this machine is ripping the throttle open anywhere from 4,000 RPM up. I don't want to have to think about anything other than enjoying the ride. One of the solenoid eliminators is in my future....the Buell fix seems interesting and if it only shows the engine light momentarily when the solenoid is functioning (which is very rarely), I can definitely deal with that. I hope i have that part right. SOmeone please correct me if I am wrong. | ||
| Kttemplar |
Put about 60 more miles on her today of combined city/hwy miles and haven't got another engine light. I am happy with the performance improvements and can live with an occasional light. | ||
| Luisemilio25r |
I don't know why you guys don't just disconnect the cable from the throttle linkage. The solenoid will still do its work and nothing will happen. You might get the light once in a while but to my understanding is exactly the same thing that installing the eliminator. The solenoid weights very little so you will not be able to notice any improvement removing it or not. The weight difference would be like riding with an empty stomach or riding after a good meal. | ||
| Buellrcr |
i ran the markel engineering noid e on the 1125r it ran flawless, make the bike run 100% better. at vir | ||
| Cutty72 |
I disconnected my cable and haven't had any issues. Got one light at BIR, but no big deal. | ||
| Kttemplar |
Just an update on the solenoid eliminator from Markel Engineering. The bike is operating much better now and I have about 200 miles since installing the eliminator. I have not had another engine light since the first one and I have been all over the rpm range and in every gear. The bike is really running like it should. I am really happy with the performance of the bike now. For what it is worth, I also ordered the Buell part, just to see what it looks like. I figured for $6 it was worth it to satiate my curiosity. Mike | ||
| Xb9 |
It's a CAN bus resistor for termination. There's already one on the bike near the ECM. Reminds me of the older SCSI bus (computer)terminators. | ||
| Black_snowman |
I finally cracked open my airbox today and checked out the solenoid and associated cable and functioning. Once I had it all figured out, all I can say is. . . WTF? So, I disconnected it and tied the cable out of way. Seems like a dangerous solution to a minor problem. But as I thought about it more, there isn't any room for an intake muffler anywhere like my cages have. Once thing the 1125R doesn't have is a lot of extra space. While I was at it I opened the right cowling on a whim and discovered the overflow bottle has exactly NO coolant in it. So, I hit Autozone to see if they had an WatterWetter or the like. Nothing. Oriley's however had a HUGE selection. Including a brand I'd never heard of before. I ended up with the WatterWetter. Put some in the over-flow and topped off the radiator and over-flow bottle with distilled water. I'll have to keep an eye on it from here on out. Hopefully the WatterWetter will help cut back on the fuel boiling in traffic. We'll see. (Message edited by Black_Snowman on June 21, 2008) (Message edited by Black_Snowman on June 21, 2008) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Yes, it is time to get rid of the solenoid. I tried to repeatedly get the stumble by WFO throttle at 4,900 RPM in 3rd gear. Money everytime. That is unacceptable. I thought stupidly that maybe it went away since I hadn't experienced it in a long time. How foolish. Is this a loophole in the EPA noise testing? Seems like a joke to me that this can get the bike approved. I guess better for the rest of the RPM range though, but that stumble is downright dangerous at times. So am I right in the conclusion that a) the $90 eliminator will give no error codes or check engine light at any time. b) the $6 Buell part will give occasional check engine light during the rare times when the solenoid is supposed to be activated (and I assume a trouble code as well.) No trouble codes other than when the solenoid trips the check engine light c) complete disconnect of the solenoid cable..not sure on this one. Help! | ||
| Ccryder |
Harlan: A) The $90 eliminator can still produce a CEL (check engine light, it will go out after the ignition has been cycled) This is due to the ECM looking for the TPS to show that the 'noid has cycled the b-flies. B) See A) C) See A) Bottom line is you will still get the CEL if you hit the magic combination of: 50-54mph, 4300-4800 rpm, level ground, 70+ deg F and WFO (very quickly). What you do not get if A), B), or C) is done is that sudden refrain from accelerating that at a minimum is very disconcerting. Hope this helps. Neil S. | ||
| Kttemplar |
I put on the $90 eliminator and got a check engine light, which cleared itself. I have since put 300 miles on the bike and have not gotten any more check engine lights. I think that the buell part for $6 does the same thing, but I am not sure. I believe that if you just disconnect the solenoid cable and leave the solenoid plugged in that it will be the same as connecting either of the two solenoid eliminators. All I know is that I am very happy with the performance of the bike with the solenoid eliminator installed. My advice to you having taken the solenoid out and so forth, is to either disconnect the solenoid and "safely" secure the loose cable somewhere where it will not interfere with throttle operation or install one of the solenoid eliminators. For $6 it is worth trying the Buell part. Again, I removed the solenoid and got one check engine light, but have not gotten another after 300 miles. Any of the options seems to be exactly the same result, better performance and maybe an engine light once or twice. Just my thoughts. Mike | ||
| Carmell |
Are there any write-ups about removing the air box and dis-connecting the cable ? I would like to do this but want to avoid any issues encountered during the process. Thanks, Rob. | ||
| Cutty72 |
1. Remove seat (2 torx screws) 2. remove outter airbox cover (6 torx screws) 3. Remove inner airbox cover (plastic clips) 4. Remove air filter 5. Remove air filter holder 6. Pull cable out of butterfly attach point. put it all back together. Did that from memory, so I hope it's right. | ||
| P_squared |
To add to Cutty's memory: 2. (4 torx screws) 7. Safetywire/zip tie cable out of way of other moving parts. It's a relatively easy & painless procedure. Not that I would personally advocate this procedure, as it would be in direct violation of EPA regulations by "tampering" with it.  I'm just sayin "IF" a person wanted to do it, the above would be how I would "think" it was done. | ||
| Sheridan_bueller |
What is the effect on the warranty? | ||
| Teach |
Markel has a great set of instructions for installing their product on their website. | ||
| Ccryder |
Johnny: Best guess is, no effect but................ it's only a guess. How do any of us really know? | ||
| Fresnobuell |
better performance and maybe an engine light once or twice. Acceptable to me....} | ||
| Fresnobuell |
What is the effect on the warranty? I think it wouldn't affect the warranty as it is only a noise thing (as far as we know)....my dealer said a mod such as this wouldn't be an issue. | ||
| Kttemplar |
In case anyone is interested, this is what the $6 Buell part Y0248.1AM (solenoid eliminator plug) looks like.    Mike | ||
| Buellnick |
It shouldn't affect the warranty... Even better if you have the dealer do the surgery. | ||
| Lionboy70 |
Please tell me where i can find the buell $6 part | ||
| D_adams |
I called my dealer, gave them the part number and told them I'd like to have it Wednesday (I called last week) so it should be there when I have the recall and flash done. I'll install it either Thursday or Friday. | ||
| Kttemplar |
Just an update. I have put 1000 miles on the solenoid eliminator from Markel Engineering and have not gotten another engine light. The P---- code has also cleared. While I was changing out the rear fender for the fender eliminator from EVOTECH, I switched out the "noid e" from Markel Engineering with the part from buell. I rode about 80 miles today and did not get any codes or engine lights. I think that the only engine lights or codes that occur is when the system initially finds out that something is missing and then it learns to deal with it. I am happy with this "mod" and the bike is totally happy with it now too. Mike |
