| Author | Message | ||
     Old_man |
While watching the races on TV, I realized the Hondas, Suzukis, Yamahas, Ducatis etc. are nothing like their motorcycles that they sell to the public. It would be much more interesting, to me, to see the actual bikes that you buy racing. The only changes should be the tires and safety wiring. To prevent ringers, the maximum price of the bike should be set, maybe $12,000, and the number produced should be large enough, say at least 200 and at least one for every makes dealer. No displacement or cylinder limit. Strictly stock motorcycles that anyone could buy. Like stock car racing when it started, not as it is now; cars that have very little to do with the name they carry. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I think it's a fantastic idea, but I feel that it would only appeal to club-level and amatuer stuff. Which is fine by me - I'd love to be able to just get a bike and race it as is in order to get into the sport. I wonder if any of the AMA classes are like this? I know they have some that place a lot of limitations on what kind of modifications you're allowed to do. Personally, I'd love to see a class be formed for something like a Ninja 250 - cheap, easy to ride, and you woudln't have any trouble finding one. Now that I think about it, at one point there was a class that raced only Sportster 883's...wonder what happened to that... | ||
| Old_man |
I think the appeal to the public would be much more than you might think. I know that I would be more interested than in what they race now. If it drew public interest and support at the highest level, the best riders would have to compete. | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
The problem with stock bikes from many manufactures, how long would the playing field be level. What I mean is if the GSXR is the hot ticket this year, How long before the field is filled with them? Right or wrong a rider must feel his bike is competitive or he will find a new ride. It is the nature of the beast. Isn't that the way the AMA is now? Honda owns a class, Suzuki a class and Kawasaki a class. | ||
| Old_man |
Let the makers level the field, rather than giving an advantage to an underachiever. If the stock bike from one manufacturer is the best, so be it. The rest would have to do better. The consumer would benefit in the long run. | ||
| Rick_a |
I really miss the AMA 883 TwinSport days. That was some entertaining racing. | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
AMA 600cc supersport & 1000cc superstock, I thought were box stock classes with very little to no mods allowed. They all look the same to me I can't tell one from the other? | ||
| Birdy |
I'd like to see a SCCA type class set up to Motorcycle racing. It may not make big time TV BUT it is the best car racing there is IMHO as everyone can show up and "Run what Ya Brung" in a class were they have a chance to win BUT not blow away every body. It's more of a family event that any other racing I have seen to boot. | ||
| Bcordb3 |
I am sure that there is club racing around the country, take you mirrors off, tape the headlight, safety wire the drain plugs. Go through the tech inspection to make sure the bike bike as tires on it and go racing. I think there was/is a race at Firebird Raceway, Phoenix this weekend, it could have been last weekend. The AMA seems to have quit promoting races and leaving that that to Daytona Motorsports. The prez of the AMA made that announcement yesterday at the 200. The AMA says it is going to be more like the AAA promoting motorcycle safety etc. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Now that you brought that up, I want to see stock car racing as stock cars. I would love to see corollas Vs civics. | ||
| Spdkls |
yeah stock would be cool, but whats more cool than watching a 800cc engine turn 240ish hp and can run 200 mph without braking a sweat and still make a turn withing 100ft of braking. all on n/a motors. | ||
| Jackbequick |
I'd love to see more low level racing with stock bikes and cars. It might not appeal to the DMG/NASCAR mentality because they do not smell enough money there but that might be a good thing. And anyone driving in a higher class of racing should not be welcome to show up and "cherry pick" the prize money from lower classes of racing. To keep the factories and distributors from dominating in any kind stock bike or car class racing, they could set it up with a claiming clause. Like let any rider that competed in a race have the option of claiming a winning bike for a fixed price based on the MSRP of the stock bike. I saw my first (and only ever live) NASCAR race at the Darlington 500 in 1960. From the infield. It was a blast! Big bellowing engines, lots of tire noise, you could actually see the drivers at work. Wonderful stuff! Buck Baker was the winner and was in a Dodge if I remember right. Jack | ||
| Dentfixer |
Probably a purely stock class would attract a lot of novices riding way past their own limitations. Definitely a liability. Do we really want to see a lot of newbies busting themselves and their bikes up? With purely stock machines the winning edge would be in the riders skills. Thats true competition but I'd be expecting the worst out of the newbies. What do you guys think? | ||
| Rick_a |
Even newbies have to do a roadrace school to get a race license. | ||
| Oldog |
Probably a purely stock class would attract a lot of novices riding way past their own limitations Racing Licence novice class, with instruction and track time, sign off by instructor advance when races and track time are met and a test is past. Definitely a liability Racing is by nature some what hazardous, And anyone driving in a higher class of racing should not be welcome to show up and "cherry pick" the prize money from lower classes of racing. To keep the factories and distributors from dominating in any kind stock bike or car class racing, they could set it up with a claiming clause. Like let any rider that competed in a race have the option of claiming a winning bike for a fixed price based on the MSRP of the stock bike. that seems fair to me, this would be every man racing | ||
| Bentrotor |
Racing has always been about money and cheating (or creative interpatation of the rules)and the only way to stop it is to find a way to stop both at the same time. The solution is simple - show up at race with a bike that meets all the safety rules (the only thing that is important) then throw the keys and title in a hat and "draw for a ride" and that becomes "your bike" for the day/week-end. Go race and take it home after the race. You crash it, you fix it or you don't race next week cuz it's your bike, just like the one you lost. Don't put a $20,000.00 trick motor in, cuz next week your gonna lose it before you ride it. Under this plan the only work being done is free and for safety. Remember, it has to pass safety tech or you don't race, cuz after all it is your bike. Now you will see who is the most adaptive rider, the one who learns how suspensions work and can adjust what came on the bike, knows how to read a tire pressure gauge, take the time to set the controls, levers, etc with a simple wrench, NOT who has the fattest wallet. | ||
| Dentfixer |
Bent, you got an interesting idea there. | ||
| Blublak |
Another approach.. Which I've suggested before.. Each manufacture picks a track and supplies a bike to each racer for that track... Identical bikes, issued at random (no cherry picking machines). Invite a group of top racers, give each team the bike for the weekend and let eat! Then, move on to the next round, new bike, new track.. etc.. IROC - Motorcyle style.. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Bent - the local dirt track guys (cars) do something sort of like that. After every race, the slowest guy on the track has the option to buy the engine from the fastest guy for $500, no questions asked. If the loser wants it, the winner has to sell it. | ||
| Bentrotor |
Xl1200r - Similar concept to that same idea, the problem with that idea is that there are so many areas in racing to spend money on (motors are only one area) that it doesn't stop the spending of money, $500.00 shocks, $2000.00 brakes, etc. The only way to put racing in the hands of the rider is to eliminate the incentive to spend the money in the first place. If you know you are not going to be racing the bike you show up with, you will not be spending the money on some trick part, however you will have to spend some money just like if it was YOUR bike, but it will be spent on making it safe, cuz if the bike don't pass safety tech you will not be racing that day. | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
In Kart racing we had the motor claiming rule. I believe it was $500 bucks also. If you believe the guys has a better motor then you can buy it. It supposedly does two things, discourages the guys from putting too much money in a motor and the whining about he has a better, higher dollar motor. You think he has $1500 bucks in his motor, buy it for the bargain basement price of $500. Put up or shut up. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Check out Moto-ST. | ||
| Gearhead |
This is probably as close to "stock" as motorcycle racing gets. I'm planning on running this class all season on an XB12R with the belt drive and an 1125R front fairing. Should be "BIG" fun!! CCS SuperSport SuperSport motorcycles are production machines sold by manufacturers and their dealers for street use in North America via normal commercial channels. All machines must have unaltered VIN numbers. A. Original equipment wheels, brake calipers, forks, frame, engine, fuel induction system, and swing arm must be used. (1) 18” wheels may be replaced with 17” wheels of the same width. (2) 16” wheels may be replaced with 17” wheels of the same width. (3) Rear swing arms on OEM Belt drive motorcycles may be replaced to convert final drive assembly from belt to chain drive. B. Aftermarket brake rotors may be used but must be the same dimensions as the originals and must be made of a ferrous material. Non-current motorcycles may use brake rotors up to the same size as those that come as original equipment on the current model machine. C. Any fairing may be used provided it is made of plastic, fi berglass or carbon fi ber and it meets the requirements in Section 5.. D. Original equipment air box must remain as produced. Air filters must be used but may be Aftermarket units. Aftermarket air filters are restricted to units available via normal commercial channels and designed for that specific model machine. Aftermarket air filter units that replace part of the OEM. air box are required to maintain the original size and number of air inlet openings as the stock unit. E. Engine modifications include the following: (1.) Pistons which are no larger than 1mm over stock size may be used but must be same compression ratio as the OEM piston. (2.) Original equipment cylinders must be used. (3.) Original equipment head, valves, and cams must remain as produced, with the exception of machining the gasket surface of the cylinder head. (4.) Original equipment cases, crankshaft, and connecting rods must remain as produced. (5.) Original equipment transmission gears must be used. (6.) Carburetor bodies and/or throttle bodies may not be modified, bored, or polished. F. Internal engine modifi cations on all single cylinder machines, 4-stroke twin cylinder machines with less than 4 valves per cylinder produced prior to the 1999 model year., and all twin cylinder machines produced prior to the 1994 model year are unlimited, provided class displacement limits are not exceeded. G. Aftermarket carburetors may be used on single cylinder machines, all 4-stroke twin cylinder machines with less than 4 valves per cylinder, and all twin cylinder 4-stroke machines produced prior to the1994 model year. 6.1.2. D. is waived for single cylinder and all twin cylinder 4-stroke machines produced prior to the 1999 model year. H. Tires must be DOT approved. (1.) If the Race Director declares a “Wet” event, commercially available rain tires may be used in place of DOT approved tires for the remainder of that race day. 6.1.3 - Displacement limits are absolute and are set as follows: LIGHTWEIGHT SUPERSPORT (Amateur & Expert Divisions) Single cylinder, Unlimited displacement Twin cylinder, liquid cooled 2-stroke, up to 450cc Two stroke, air cooled, Unlimited displacement Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, non-desmodromic valves, up to 800cc Twin cylinder, air cooled, up to 1210cc Four cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 450cc Four cylinder, air cooled, 2 valve, up to 675cc Four cylinder, liquid cooled, pre-1987 model year, up to 565cc Harley-Davidson Sportsters of unlimited displacement NOTE: Ducati/Bimota/BMW Supermono/Woods Rotax are excluded. | ||
| Skntpig |
Gearhead is right. CCS Supersport is exactly as fun and competitive as you all imagine it would be. Do it. |
