| Author | Message | ||
     Davegess |
Buell is all over these issues and is working on them. If you have issues calling Buell customer service and being patient are the keys to solving them for you and others. Rocket had nothing to do with any Anons staying away. I think some folks at Juneau are overreacting to the slowing MC sales so everyone is keeping their heads down and obeying ALL the rules. | ||
| Doerman |
If that is the case I profusely apologize for any ill feelings my conjecture may have caused. And thank you Dave for clearing that up. | ||
| Baggermike |
I called Buell customer service and got no were, they just told me to take it to the dealership, so I guess patients is the key. | ||
| Spatten1 |
1) I think some folks at Juneau are overreacting to the slowing MC sales The whole industry will take a hit soon, but... They won't sell many 1125s until they get good reviews. So far the general public has only read reviews of bikes that were not ready for prime time with FI and suspension issues. If the mags get production models that run really well and give them good writeups things will change. There is also the fact that Buell shipped these bikes at the worst time of the year to sell them. 2) If you have issues calling Buell customer service and being patient are the keys to solving them for you and others. Saintly, you should try that...  | ||
| Dtx |
These electrical problems have me concerned. My 1125R is supposed to be here in the next week or so. I had electrical gremlins on my Firebolt and they drove me nuts.  | ||
| Davegess |
Bagger, the dealer is indeed the place to start. Your issue is likely unique as you are running a lot of electric gear and perhaps pushing the envelope a bit. The dealers have access to the factory and technicians standing by to help. Spatten, I did not mean to imply that the 1125 in not selling well, I think it is doing very well, the biggest issue is making them fast enough at this point. The magazines are just now getting test bikes so we should see reviews in April just at the beginning of the major bike selling time in the USA so that should be good. I also have to say that the issues we have heard about here are an exception. | ||
| Baggermike |
Davegess I do not think I am pushing the envelope when just using a 90 watt jacket liner and 20 watt gloves, the bike has all four light on a high that is 70 watts extra right there, and then the heated grips are 36 watts, so it is like comparing 106 watts to 110 watts and do not think that the extra 4 watts would drain the battery. My voltage regulator went bad and I think it hurt the battery and then if when the bike gets hot and does not put out voltage then this is the problem, I know something not right it is a matter of finding the problem. I ride two other bikes both Buells and one is a old blast and I got a 1/4 mile away I had to unplug the glove they got that hot, now all the batteries are the same, the bikes electrical items runs off the battery and the voltage regulator replenishes the battery, this is why I think part of the problem is battery and the other is the charging system, we will know soon what it is, and Buell sent those guys down to Florida because of the charging issue. I have the bike in the shop also and when it gets home I got a new battery to put in so time will tell. Mike | ||
| Davegess |
Bagger, maybe I phrased that wrong. I think it should work. But you are drawing a lot, maybe uncovering an issue that lighter use may not have uncovered. Buell will get it figured out. | ||
| Baggermike |
Dave if they do not I will, and if it is just a weak charging system I can send it out to be reworked, but riding the hyway at 4300 rpms for almost 2 hours should not discharge the battery? Mike | ||
| Kravfighter |
It seems to me, that, heated gear, or anything else designed for use on a motorcycle should not pull to much juice. It also seems to me that, if someone designed the gear to work with most bikes, then a a company should design a bike electrical system to handle these types of items. Bagger, I say, you should be able to use what you need to use, I mean, this is a bike designed from the rider down, right? | ||
| Baggermike |
I agree it should power my gear, my blast is a bike that is not in good condition and has a battery that does not look new and its charging system is rated at less amps and it heats my gear to the point of burning me and have to use an off and on switch, but when I ride the 1125R hardly gets warm. I read when a voltage regulator goes it can hurt the battery, but at the dealership they had me hook up all my gear and tested the bike and said I was good to go but it was cold and when I got home the battery was low and the whole way was hyway at 4300 rpms and only slowed down for tolls and I live a mile off the hyway, now I read that when the bike gets hot it drops its voltage down to a point it will discharged the battery and I hear the buell guys are working on this, this sounds like what my bike is doing, or its the battery? I just want to know one way or the other is it a weak charging system or something is wrong and can not get that simple answer. Mike | ||
| Court |
>>>I hear the buell guys are working on this, Mike: Where did you hear that? The good news is that it is a simple electrical calculation. It's Ohm's Law anyway you slice it. I'd place great skepticism about converting gossip and a web discussion to "fact". Your Buell dealer is the place to start. Keep us posted. There are lots of resources available. Court | ||
| Spatten1 |
The magazines are just now getting test bikes so we should see reviews in April just at the beginning of the major bike selling time in the USA so that should be good. I'm looking forward to those reviews and the reception of Buell as a real contender. Mike: I understand how you feel, it is hard to be positive when your bike is not working to expectations. When I had to rebuild my engine last year I was not very positive either. | ||
| Baggermike |
Hi Court on the beginning of this thread, it say's when the bike is cold it puts out 14 volts but when hot it drops down to 12 volts across the rmps, this sounds like my problem, I only go on long rides so the motor get hot and the battery goes down. Mike | ||
| Jlnance |
Bagger, I'm just catching up on this thread. If you've got a voltmeter, see if you can duplicate the observations of the Buell team. 14 volts when the bike is cold, 12 after it warms up. Then take a hose and run some cold water over your voltage regulator. See if it comes back up to 14 volts.  | ||
| Baggermike |
Jinance the bike is in the shop and they are working on it. I do have the tools to do it and the info that I have gotten from you guys here and some online sources so when I get the bike back and it is not fixed I know what to do. Mike | ||
| Unibear12r |
Nice 70 degree day here today and no school for the kids so I rode my bike to work. Before riding the 15 miles home at the end of the day I broke out the voltmeter... Across the battery. 12.63v cold prestart 14.08v cold at idle 13.95v cold at any rpm above idle up to 4k. The bike has always started and run great. Go to start the bike again about 5min later and it takes a little longer to start (and is a bit slower turning over?). Check engine light comes on during cranking and stays on. I shut it down and restart and all is well except for the now usual stored code indication. Great ride home. Coolant temp. at 176 degrees. 12.63v at warm idle (fans are on) 13.55v at any rpm above idle up to 4k. 12.73v after shut down (fans off). It's a 100 mile ride to the dealer so I'll likely ride it up and drop it off next saturday. (Message edited by unibear12r on February 11, 2008) | ||
| Stretchman |
If I had a wiring diagram I might be able to say something constructive. I have no idea what the charging system on the 1125 even looks like, much less how it's all wired in. I do know that as temperature increases, so does resistance. Could be that when it gets hot, something is dropping more voltage than it should. The real question is where? Kind of hard to test it all on a running bike. Normally, the Voltage regulator would throw a code if it wasn't receiving the proper flow. If there is no charging light on when the voltage drops, then whatever is happening to the circuit is probably happening after the circuit is being sensed. Battery cables aren't small. If there's a relay and two paths it might mean that one side of the circuit is fine, and the other has issues. Wish I could be of more help. | ||
| Doerman |
I don't think it is a systemic issue though. Can't be since mine is not losing charge. I've ridden in summer temps this weekend (80+F) and for long periods of time w/o problems (over 3K miles on mine). It points to a component that might be faulty on some units. They'll figure it out on Captnemo's bike and effect a fix. | ||
| Baggermike |
Thanks the bike is in the shop and when I get it back I have what I need to do every test if I get it back and it does the same thing, I would like to know what it puts out at 4000 rpms in watts but can not get this reading from Buell should be a simple thing like hp and tq band. I was at the shop when voltage tested good and had all my gear hooked up to the bike and they had the computer hooked up, and they said I was good to go, now riding home I just used my jacket liner and gloves and not my pants liner and socks like I did in the dealership, that is like 110 to 120 watts if I had the high beams on that would be 70 watts so I was using around 50 watts extra, now if I had heated grips that are rated at 36 watts then I was hardly using above what the bike should be designed to handle, and riding home on the hyway at 70 mph at 4300 rpms and I live one mile off the highway and the battery was real low, so something is wrong and I will get it worked out if they can not, I have a guy I can send the stator rotor and voltage regulator to get it checked out and to put out more amps if it is a weak charging system, but I hoping it something buell can fix and here they are down in Florida working on a bike that voltage drops to 12 volts when hot, so I have many test to do and the fist when I get it back is to test the voltage regulator cold and hot and if no problem there than will try a new battery if that does not work then I get to testing everything starting at the wires coming from the stator. I have had many bikes but bought three Buells and the first on viberated to much the second on oil pump went at 6700 miles and now this bike, I knew they might be bugs to work out when I bought it so I hope Eric Buell reads this or someone from Buell and helps me out, it is a bike built from the rider down and I have electrical problems and the dealership does not even know how to work on it, and Buell customer service told me to take it to the dealership. Mike | ||
| Jlnance |
Could be that when it gets hot, something is dropping more voltage than it should. In my experience, when electronics doesn't work when the temperature changes, it's usually one of two things. The first is a mechanical issue, where there is a crack in a trace on a circuit board, or a bad solder joint. As the device is heated, it expands, and this moves things around enough to make or break the connection. The second is overheating of the semiconductors. Transistors, diodes, SCRS and the like do not like to get hot. At some point around 150C they just stop working. I wouldn't be surprised if the voltage regulator had a temperature sensor that shut the whole thing down when it started getting too hot. | ||
| Timmyusmc |
I just hope that buell gets all of these bugs sorted out before I get back to the states and pick mine up. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Has anyone (having problems or not) ridden the bike with ODIS showing the voltage readout? Seems like a pretty simple first step, and a great way to collect data for your dealer. | ||
| Baggermike |
Hey guys I did try riding with the voltage showing on the display and it shut off, I have a amp meter I think I might install but there is an motorcycle amp plus voltage meter with temp and ice warning but cost 180.00, I need to know amps and volts and that will tell me that I am running to much gear but first I have to make sure the bike is working right then go from there. I do not know why Buell rated the charging system at 7000 rpm, that is not a cruising speed but would be a corner speed, cruising is between 3500 to 4500 on my bike, at 70 it is turning at 4300 rpm so I do not know why they did not rate the charging system at cruising rpms, and is my question to buell but called customer service and they would not help me and told me to take it to the dealership, and they do not know either, one simple question and no answer. Mike | ||
| Cali1125r |
anyone having runability issues with their new 1125r's. Mine is dead in the water and being diagnosed for what looks like a electrical issue. Let it be known the 900 miles I put on her were plenty to fall in love. Love the bike and I'm sure they'll work out the kinks just curious if its an isolated occurance. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Cali125r, no bud you are not alone. Mine was dead this morning. I had my first extended ride on Sunday, then dead on Tuesday. I too love this bike more everytime I ride it. Glad I still have the XB. | ||
| Baggermike |
Me to my bike has been dead and in the shop for over a week and I miss it bad, hope Buell get itself together and work out these bugs fast the spring is coming, I still think Buell rushed this bike into production for the 25th big one and should give us a 1125R party at homecoming for putting up with these bugs. | ||
| Spectrum |
Ok guys till the problem gets sorted out by BMC here's my advice. Both times this happened to me my coolant temperature reached the 195-200 degree range. If I see the coolant temperature exceed 185 degrees, I put the bike on the tender as soon as I get home. | ||
| Thurstonbuell |
Some of these "threads" are scaring me , like dead battery's , fuel boiling , theft errors , stalling and electrical problems , poor mirrors etc..... I stopped at the dealership Saturday , and guess what , the battery is dead . I only hope these are isolated problems and when I take delivery , I can just ride , the season is too short up here in the snowbelt to keep it in the shop ! Not to mention the riding season has'nt even started for alot of 1125r owners . | ||
| Cali1125r |
Thanks guys for the response but I haven't had any issues with voltage drain. My bike cut out at 70 mph at around 5600rpm while I was on the freeway. It cut out when the bike was at about 174 degrees and was able to pull in the clutch at start it again until it would die again that's how i was able to get off the freeway. I did notice a throttle position sensor error message and one for the fuel injection system. Anyone experience any of this themselves? |
