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Buellthatcould
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 02:24 am: | 
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ALWAYS let it sit for one FULL minute before moving it. ALWAYS. NEVER start it and go. EVER. NOT EVEN ONCE. Not even when you're in a hurry. That's how HD engines end up with leaks. I take note of what the minute digit on the clock says when I start it and let it sit until it ticks over the second time. This ensures that I ALWAYS let it sit between one and two minutes.
good to know. when i was looking at the bike in the stealership the salesman started it up and revved the balls off of it. up to 5k at least. he kept doing it and it started backfiring and spitting smoke. the service manager came over and yelled "STOP IT!" the sales man looked over and did it again.
i try to let it warm up for a good period of time, but i'll make sure i stick to that now. what about warm starts? } |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 07:06 am: |
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Why would anyone speed shift any bike that requires splitting the cases for a transmission rebuild (Buell or any other brand)? Am I missing something here? |
Towjam
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 07:40 am: |
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good to know. when i was looking at the bike in the stealership the salesman started it up and revved the balls off of it. up to 5k at least. he kept doing it and it started backfiring and spitting smoke. the service manager came over and yelled "STOP IT!" the sales man looked over and did it again.
Typical Harley salesman. Can't sell features or performance so resorts to selling "sound". I see this play out every time I'm in a Harley dealer. In addition to fouling plugs, he's going over the rev limit for the 50 mile break-in recommendations.
The two things I want for Christmas are a) world peace and b) Buell to somehow decouple from Harley dealers. I'm betting there's a better chance for world peace. |
Ccryder
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 08:18 am: |
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Reep:
More $'s than brains.
Neil S. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 09:28 am: |
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I guess if you are racing, and have already signed on the dotted line for regularly scheduled rebuilds, you have nothing to loose and it's an easy second or two per lap. Just make sure you don't wear out the tranny before you wear out the engine.
Or maybe these guys are just *way* better at speed shifting then I can be. My only speedshifts are by accident when I am sloppy with the clutch, and more often then not they sound fairly alarming... |
Ceejay
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 11:37 am: |
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reep-I was doing it all day at mid-o. I usually don't do it on the street though, if done well it actually feels smoother than when using the clutch. Like M1 stated, downshifting is tricky and the shift between 1st and 2nd doesn't go super smooth, but the others when done right are like butter. I'm still wishing I had more money than brains though... |
Ceejay
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 11:41 am: |
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and its probably done for the same reason they put aftermarket pipes on, overload the electrics, go for wild paint jobs-->using too often used phrases, for the fun of it, par for the course, it's my bike, etc...If I gotta split the cases it's another excuse to go to 1169... |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 12:09 pm: |
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So thats why you were faster then me ;)
I'd be tempted to split the cases on my KLR-250 to make it a high zoot 350...
(if I had any money...) |
Ceejay
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 12:46 pm: |
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yabbut then you'd want to buy a new fender, and a seat, and handlebar, and a...  |
Spike
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 03:29 pm: |
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WRT "speed shifting"
On my '04 XB12R I regularly upshifted without the clutch. If you time it right you're actually making the shift when the transmission is under minimal load, and it snicks right into the next gear. It was a bit more clunky than clutchless shifting on an import, but the transmission on my '04 was still shifting great when I traded it in with 32k miles on it.
The transmission on my '07 XB12X is a different story. When I first got the bike the transmission was really stiff and notchy. I had the dealer look it over, they found that the shift shaft was tight within the bushing in the primary cover. They filed the bushing down slightly and now the transmission is better, but still not great. It's more notchy than my '04 and nowhere near as slick as the '06 XB12X I demoed. |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 11:20 pm: |
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From what I've heard, speedshifting down is likely to damage the tranny and engine in short order. It is highly discouraged. |
M1combat
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 02:05 am: |
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Which is why I recommended against it . I just know that it can be done is all. I still don't recommend it .
That said...
If you do it JUST right and at low RPM's (like below 3200) it does feel reasonably smooth. I've done it once on accident and once on purpose. The on purpose one was much smoother . It works just like the speedshift up other than you need to blip the throttle just a tad instead of roll of a tad.
As a side note ... I dumped it into first twice from a dead stop without using the clutch. This killed the trans output shaft seal. That was on accident too. The seal is reasonably easy to replace.
For the record... I'm still not recommending the speedshift down .
(Message edited by m1combat on February 15, 2008) |
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