| Author | Message | ||
     Ryker77 |
A new law that would prevent citizens with mental cases from owning a firearm includes veterans who come back from war with PTSD. PTSD effects a large % of military memebers serving in Iraq and now if they ask for help or file for benifits they will loose there Rights under the 2nd amendment. Wonder if Bush would still allow them to carry a machine gun in a comabat zone? Since I belive that current active members simple get a few days off of duty then right back into the combat patrols, if they claim PTSD. | ||
| Thumper74 |
I thought the current gun laws prevented individuals with known psychological concerns from buying firearms... Less than a year to go... | ||
| Ryker77 |
Just heard about this on the news today. Its a new law. | ||
| Ryker77 |
known as the Veterans Disarmament Act by opponents H.R. 2640 http://www.gunowners.org/netb.htm | ||
| Ryker77 |
The worst aspect is, in section 3(2), that it STATUTORILY FREEZES IN regulations at 27 CFR 478.11 which would make you a "prohibited person" if: * You were found by any "lawful authority" (including a IDEA school therapist, a Medicare psychologist, or a VA doctor to: Now veterans would be wise to not ask for medical help, a school therapist could make the choice to classify a kid and then force that whole family to not have firearms in the household, ???? 1. Represent even a minimal suicide risk; I don;t like the wording of minimal. Since alot of groups are higher risk of sucide and that would be minimal risk? 2. Represent even a minimal playground risk to other students; or Minimal again. So one playground fight or a simple verbal threat? Perhaps we can just base this on the type of clothing they were or music they listen to. MINIMAL is a scary legal word. 3. Be incapable of managing your own affairs; or What do they classify as affairs? Would those said people not be issued a drivers licnese? * Were referred by such "lawful authority" to a psychiatrist or psychologist to be evaluated in connection with child custody procedure or other contexts in which professional assessment is ordered. Aka divorce? Why in the hell don't they pass a type of law to prevent drunks drivers who pose a HUGE risk to others or elderly drivers who have a HUGE risk factors. Yet they will pass a law with the words MINIMAL for gun control. Scary. Another reason to look at www.ronpaul2008.com | ||
| Ironken |
Bush.....disassembling the constitution one bite at the time. We are losing ground as American citizens rapidly. I would love to see Ron Paul get the GOP, but, unlikely. He (as far as I know) is the only GOP candidate that has acknowledged the North American Union movement.....Bad juju! | ||
| Buellerandy |
Its going to take me a while to come up with something coherent and SANE enough to post about this matter. | ||
| Bill0351 |
"Since I belive that current active members simple get a few days off of duty then right back into the combat patrols, if they claim PTSD." Any DOUCHE that would pull that to get out of a combat mission can pretty much come home and shove his 2nd amendment rights up his ass. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Ifn you really want a fire arm, there are ways to get them, there always has been. If the voices in your head yell loud enough, you will find one. (now how many people are on prozac, ritalin, rx-mania that should not hve a gun under this?) Its an enforcement night mare and a feel good goose to the pansy liveral a$$ anti gun whackos (did I say that outloud?) | ||
| Ironken |
Ummmmm....I'm telling Cityx. That was agressive and your guns should be taken away. I believe that you are a playground risk. | ||
| Ryker77 |
"Any DOUCHE that would pull that to get out of a combat mission can pretty much come home and shove his 2nd amendment rights up his ass." The point was that Bush signed into law a bill that would prevent some troops from private owernship of a even a single shot .22 rifle. But would still allow them to carry a machine gun. | ||
| Ryker77 |
" I would love to see Ron Paul get the GOP, but, unlikely. He (as far as I know) is the only GOP candidate that has acknowledged the North American Union movement.....Bad juju!" http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst103006.ht m | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I will revoke my second amendment right to bare arms, and pledge the crack of my muzzle will be worked into my FIRST Amendment rights as freedom of speech. | ||
| M1combat |
Well that's not any good... | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
So what you are saying is that you are ok with a mentally disabled person to have firearms. I could give a sh1t whether or not they are a vet or not, If they are having a problem then they don't need guns. (Message edited by Lost_in_Ohio on January 09, 2008) | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Why would anyone want support a gun toting crazy person????? | ||
| Sgthigg |
"PTSD effects a large % of military memebers serving in Iraq and now if they ask for help or file for benifits they will loose there Rights under the 2nd amendment. Wonder if Bush would still allow them to carry a machine gun in a comabat zone? Since I belive that current active members simple get a few days off of duty then right back into the combat patrols, if they claim PTSD." The answer to this is a definite, YES. Not necisarily limited to the combat patrol scenario. But military members come back, "decompress", talk to a counsler or some mental health professional because the are told it wont be held against them... BAM, you have PTSD. They throw a ton of pills at you.. Now get your rifle and get ready for the next round of deployments back to the combat zone. (Message edited by sgthigg on January 09, 2008) | ||
| Deadduck |
The scary part Lost in Ohio, is the minimal signs of mental illness that they are going by. All the kids diagnosed now for ADD/ADHD are a generation of non gun toting grown ups 10-15 years from now. Once that happens it won't be a big deal just to outlaw all guns.........I'd almost bet that everybody on this board, at some time in their life has shown signs of a mental illness like ADD/ADHD, they just didn't have a label for it when we were growing up, we were just hyperactve, just being kids, and so on.........It seems like now a days just about every kid around a large city sees a shrink. Just my .02 Deadduck Oops, i used the word "dead" in my screen name, does that make me unstable or suicidle? oh well time to go clean my .45 | ||
| Hexangler |
Guns? I've got no problem making my own. Bigin's too. Just not repeaters (but possible...) Saw this movie about CIA zip guns .22lr. Just a tube, shell and a cap. Gun laws are dumb. If you need it you will find/borrow/make it. Now bombs have always been outlawed...(Don't put me on your list too, it's just the obvious truth. McVie et all anyone?) Hex | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
How many service men and women are getting out now that have PTSD.... NEXT TO NONE! Why you may ask? Then the VA would be over run and the cost to treat them would be a burden on "Our" government for years to come. PLUS.... They (the VET) would get medical treatment for life for anything that may have be linked to PTSD.... and we couldn't have that! God forbid we take care of our veterans.... PTSD? I think you had a mental condition when you enlisted.... NO BENEFITS FOR YOU!! NEXT!!! | ||
| Cityxslicker |
the damage I could McIver with a bell jar, rubbing alcohol, cotton balls, MRE heat pouch, and a 3 minute lead time. Besides its always the quiet guys that pay all their bills that were NOT diagnosed, NOT in treatment that you hear about going "Postal" My therapy will always be a full box of ammo and a case of cream corn at 25 yards | ||
| Buellerandy |
I just think its bs that the government will take the worlds finest war fighters, over use them and those that might need a little assistance get the pleasure of having a right taken away from them that they put their life on the line to protect-its simply the government working on disarming those that would put up a hell of a good fight if the citizens were to one day "correct" the inefficiencies of their own system.- very extremist I'm sure but they just opened up a whole list of excuses for people to not possess firearms...EVER! | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
Mental illness can be cured. If a doc finds you healthy again, do you get your gun rights back? | ||
| Buellerandy |
I would hope so but chances are going probably be no. | ||
| Court |
My guess is that this topic is the poli-social equivalent of "contact patch". I suppose everyone agrees that persons lacking sufficient capacity should not possess weapons. The controversy enters when, and government does this worse than anyone, you start trying to "legislate" what is "normal", "abnormal" .. etc. To quote Paul Harvey . . . "common sense should be". It's not the "big picture" that bothers me . . . I'm all for "insane" persons being kept (although I doubt the feds can do any better at keeping guns from them than they do with criminals) from having weapons. . . the devil, as they say, is in the details. The guy who shot me three times was not crazy and this legislation would not have prevented that. | ||
| Socoken |
Pres Bush has been doing nearly everything in his power to minimize the costs of ptsd. He has personally thanked researchers for coming out with a study disproving ptsd's existence, or even linked it to lower intelligence. If removing ones weapons deters someone from claiming ptsd, and saves the government money, then I guess its worth it to him. Now we have crazies with guns NOT GETTING ANY HELP. ••••••• brilliant. | ||
| P_squared |
PTSD? Combat Fatigue? Shell Shock? Does anyone have "images" of George Carlin and Patton running through their heads yet? First & foremost, if someone is PROVEN to be mentally unstable, PLEASE take away their "right" to own firearms. Before anyone & everyone flames me, I've been in enough "armpits" of the world with rounds in the chamber and shots fired in anger at me. Get over it. This is where the Patton reference comes in. Life is hell, and so is war, so get over yer namby-pamby "feelings" and KILL the SOBs tryin to eff it all up for the rest of us, before they kill your or yer friends! Now having said all of that, I strongly agree that it is poorly written and too vague. By the "minimal" standard, I'd be prevented myself, as would 99+% of the people reading this. | ||
| Sgthigg |
This is why we need to vote. | ||
| M1combat |
I don't support crazy people toting guns... I also don't support some crazy shrink who's against guns deciding that a lot of people have too many issues to tote guns. See my point? With this law it only takes a small "misjudgment" on the part of someone who has been granted the right, to remove a perfectly normal and law abiding citizen's right to bear arms. They are now guilty without the chance to be proven innocent. That's not good. I believe this law will be abused by people with an agenda. I have a friend who told someone they needed to get out of his house. They were both in my friends house. The guy started talking trash and being belligerent. My friend told him to get out. The guy didn't leave so my friend pushed him towards the door. After the guy left he called the cops. The police charged him with domestic violence. He can no longer own firearms. This law will be abused even more so. It makes law abiding citizens criminals. To say something like "Why would anyone want to support a gun toting crazy person????" is doing nothing more than exposing your ignorance to the real issue. The real issue is that in America we have a lobby that would like nothing more than to remove all of the guns from all walks of life aside from police and the military. They are doing this with small steps. You have to ask yourself why they would do that when it's a proven (time and time again) fact that when you disarm a population violent crime increases. People use baseball bats, glass bottles, rocks, tire irons, fists, shoes, keyboards (mine weighs like 12 pounds)... whatever they can threaten someone with. Even knives. It's not about unstable people. It's about a perfectly normal person being diagnosed as unstable. You know what I've learned about a lot of the people that tend to want to become psychologists (actually every single one that I have ever known)? They're pretty messed up and they know it. They want to learn about the subject so they can figure out what's wrong with themselves. I would imagine that the rest are the ones who've decided that they're good and they need to tell everyone else that there's something wrong. Either way... Doesn't seem like a good thing when you consider the term "minimal" thrown in there. This isn't good. | ||
| Strokizator |
Bush.....disassembling the constitution one bite at the time. Any president can only sign legislation brought to him by congress, which at this time it is controlled by the democrats. So I hope your point wasn't just another "I hate Bush" rant. |
