| Author | Message | ||
     Staindus |
I am going to install the Drummer Catch Can this weekend. Any tips or advice? The instructions seem straight forward. Also any advice on where to locate the metal breather would be great. Thanks, Rob | ||
| Chadr81 |
You'll be amazed how much crap that catch can will catch. I didn't end up mounting a breather when installing... instead, I routed the vent end back up to one of the original holes in the lower intake box. (One of the two that you are supposed to block off from the original breather vents.) I've had it like this for almost 5 months, and there is no residue at all in the intake box - The catch can seems to get it all. I empty mine about every other gas fill-up, or if riding really hard, then I empty it every fill-up. You'll love the little thing. It's really nice how they designed it to blend into the bike. Chad | ||
| Bo_sox |
Piece of cake if you just take your time and follow the instructions. Start to finish I spent just under a couple of hours, being careful and reading each step twice. I also deleted the breather and mounted the vent similar to how Chadr81 explains above. Just over a year of use and no problems! That thing makes me feel good every time I empty it and see all the crap that's not being injested by my motorcycle! Good luck! | ||
| Bo_sox |
Sorry man, I think I misunderstood your (metal) breather question. If you're talking about the brass sintered cone fitting, then I gave you the wrong advice. I mounted the brass cone fitting into the back of the catch can, up on top. I screwed it right into the rear, upper female threads and if you position it just right it fits up into the corner of the back of the catch can mounting bracket. This will make more sense as you begin the installation process. | ||
| Metalstorm |
Detailed instructions with pics on the Drummer website. click here: http://www.kdfab.com/catch%20can%20instructions.ht m | ||
| Acejay |
catch can is easy as to mount, just give it a go and you'll work it out as you go along. i had the breather mounted just after the catch can and found i was getting greasy crap everywhere, it's basically exhaust fumes that are coming out of it after all. i ended up getting a longer piece of hose, running it down behind the chin faring and exiting just next to the stand mounting. that way all the fumes that come out get blown away with the exhaust. works perfect and no mess at all. my bike leaves a huge amount of crap in the catch can, just remember to empty it every time you fill up!!!! | ||
| Sgthigg |
I have installed the brass breather right to the can and I get the oil/spludge all over the side of my engine. Now I run it to behind the rear peg and now it mists a small amount onto my swing arm instead. yahh! Dont get me wrong it will catch a lot of spludge. However the brass breather will mist a small amount of oil residue. I think it is mostly due to design, because the area where the oil/ spludge comes into the can it directly in front of where the pressure blows out. Also depending where ever the brass piece mounted it can create a lower pressure increasing the amount of gunk pulled into that tube. Inevitably some will get blown out and get on the bike. I beleive chadr81's set up is the best way to do it. You will catch all of crap in the can and it will not mist anything where it matters if at all. Why didnt I think of that!? Nevertheless it looks good and works. | ||
| Staindus |
Thanks all for the info. Bo_sox - Yes I was talking about the brass sintered cone. Metalstorm - I have the instructions. I just wanted to know if anyone had some info that was not in the instructions or any good advice. Chad - Looks like I will be following your way. Thanks again all, Rob | ||
| Comeauzee |
Hey guys I'm buying a Drummer and I have an open airbox kit and I'm on the fence about the catch can. Should or shouldn't I get one? What are the benefits of having one and if I don't have one what can happen. And why don't they have one stock? Thanks guys | ||
| Bombardier |
I have rerouted the breather hoses down to where a catch can is normally placed and fitted a paper and gauze filter from a car valve cover. Not a spec of oil has come out of it and the bike runs fine. The hoses near the rocker boxes do curve upwards a little and perhaps this is enough to stop the flow of oil down the breather hose. Taking the oil out of the airbox was the best thing I have done for performance thus far. Definitely picks up from idle a lot better with out all that muck getting into the intake and fouling up the O2 sensor at idle. | ||
| Knotrider |
why not just plumb the breather to atmosphere and get rid of everything that way ? | ||
| Pwnzor |
because it pulses air in and out. Air and vapors come out, dirt goes back in. Not bueno. | ||
| Björne666 |
Knotrider, just place a filter at the end of the hose http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o71/Bjorne666/D SC00442.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o71/Bjorne666/DSC00440.jpg (Message edited by björne666 on January 12, 2008) | ||
| Sgthigg |
I am glad I never tried to used a filter to contain what MY bike has puked up. If I did it would always be running down on the side of my bike and tire. | ||
| Knotrider |
Can the pulses really travel as far as where your filter is ? That is exactly where my puke tube ends, inside of the footpeg mount. | ||
| Roadkingtrax |
I highly doubt that road debris would travel around 3 or 4 curves and 3+ feet of rubber tube, that is coated internally by engine oil/sludge. Any material would be suspended only a short distance inside of the tube, if any. Harley owners have used the "vent to atmosphere" for a long time w/o ill effects. | ||
| Al_lighton |
The PCV valves on the top of the rocker box are one way only, that is their function. Air TRIES to pulse back in but it shuts the flappers down. Al | ||
| Staindus |
Well I did not get a chance to install it this weekend, life got in the way. So I feel dumb asking this but do you empty the catch can with the engine running or do you let gravity due its thing? | ||
| Ccryder |
I drain mine with the engine off. Like the instructions say, every other fill up. I get 1-3 oz of mostly water with a bit of oil. If I wait too long it will come out the other tube and that can be a mess. Neil S. | ||
| Chadr81 |
You should try emptying it with the engine idling. The crap just comes shooting out sometimes. I do it this way from time to time to try and force out whatever might be up higher in the hoses - and I emptied it at the track like this too. You'd be amazed how fast that thing fills up when running at RA... I can't imagine why?!?  Chad (Message edited by chadr81 on January 14, 2008) | ||
| Jerseyguy |
I have been asked if it might be good to run the catch can's exhaust right back into the airbox. The theory being that as the puke laden gas passes through the catch can that the muck would condense out. It's an interesting idea, but I suspect that a fairly high percentage of crap will just pass through the system and go back into the engine. It might be worth the experiment though. There is one very important caveat I have to add. You must not leave the sintered metal breather or the brass barbed fitting on the end of the hose if you place it back into the airbox. In the unlikely event that either or both items should work their way loose and be ingested by the engine.... well you can imagine what would happen. The parts might even jam the throttle body wide open. Steve | ||
| Staindus |
Thanks again all. I think now maybe its better to have it terminated somewhere under the bike. I will have to see where I think it looks good. Jerseyguy - thanks for the info and nice Boxster, are you a member of the PCA? | ||
| Knotrider |
I was once told that by feeding the breather back into the intake will provide some upper valve train lubrication. Thereby prolonging engine, or at least upper valve train life. So with that knowledge I continued venting to atmosphere on all of my bikes. As I have always done. | ||
| Staindus |
So the upper valve train does not get lubrication any other way? That does not sound right to me. Most of what comes out is water anyway right? water is not a good lubricant I think, and its supposed to get burned up too. | ||
| Knotrider |
Like I said, with that tidbit of (mis)information...I vented to atmosphere. | ||
| Staindus |
Ahh. Sorry misread your post. Thanks | ||
| Swordsman |
My '06 Long puked a LOT. So much so that at cruising speeds it would randomly "cough", and the engine would skip a beat. Once I rerouted those hoses, it stopped completely. The inner airbox was a total mess. ~SM | ||
| Thespive |
I have been contemplating a catch can for some time. I opened up my airbox to swap filters and I saw all the oil residue inside and figured maybe now is a good time to get one. --Sean | ||
| Staindus |
So I finally did the catch can install. (Damn life getting in the way again). It was very easy and took me a little over an hour, but I was taking my sweet ass time. ( I had some time before I went to the Iron Maiden Concert this past Friday). It was very easy, I think the hardest part was getting the tubes out from the bottom of the airbox. After the install the bike took some time to start (I had just ridden it before the install) I gave it a little throttle while pressing the starter and it started up and ran fine and started up fine after that. I still need to reset the TPS and check the primary tension. Thanks to all, and I ended up terminating the brass breather behind the foot peg, I must say it looks almost factory on the bike and you can hide the tube pretty well going back to the peg. |
