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Cataract2
Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 07:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow. The pictures on the web don't do it justice. Looks waaay better in person. Took some serious restraint to not buy it today.









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Zenfrogmaster
Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 09:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Got my first live look today, too - and it does look better (and very nice indeed) in the flesh. Unfortunately, the dealership tucked it into a corner, hung with a sign that said "for display only". Not for sale or sold?

I enjoyed discovering little details, like the adjustable shift and rear brake pegs. I'd still prefer a TT, but only because it's a better fit for how and where I ride.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep, that is what everyone says when they see it in the flesh. Now that I have on in the garage, I find myself opening the door to the garage just to stare. It really is a sexy looking bike.
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Cataract2
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 03:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Heck, my parents who are HD people even said it's a good looking bike. Even agreed it's better in person than in pics.
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Rocketman
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 08:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep, that is what everyone says when they see it in the flesh.

Not everyone, thanks

Rocket
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Ducxl
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 08:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I certainly liked it,as said elsewhere.But YOU haven't seen it..have you?

I don't get it.

I get the sense that,most naysayers,like myself,DO like it once they sit on it.Styling TOO!! I mocked the pods but,when i actually set eyes on them,you know what?
They were much smaller than i'd imagined.
No..i'm not drinking Kool-Aid either
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Court
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm having my own little giggle. . . . hesitant to reveal it, lest I be labeled an idiot (I'd be inclined to agreed with you in the instant case) . . but as I first looked at the 1125R . . . I stared and stared and my question was . . . "where the heck is the radiator?".

I looked at it in person before I'd ever seen pictures and never noticed the "pods" until you guys scarred me.

: )

But, as I have said, as a huge fan of the Harrier and the A-6 Intruder. . . . I totally dig the pods. I think mine would get a USMC Air Wing decal.
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Jc000
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just saw my first 1125r in the flesh a week or so ago... I completely agree—MUCH better in person.

I loved the look when I first got the brochure in the mail. However, the more I saw of the side-profile shot, the more doubts seemed to come up, especially when compared to the Firebolt profile. I really think that angle has to be the least flattering.

Anyway, in person, I think it looks a lot more "unified" in it's design. It is a very purposeful look. My Harley riding friend (who is a moderate Buell fan) was pretty blown away by it. I think it is a fairly striking design, people WILL take notice of it.
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Dbird29
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 09:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When you ride it the shape is very appealing.

The naysayer has not ridden it so all he can do is bash and ridicule.

I think a TT model would be even better than a S model.
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Zenfrogmaster
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Back to the 1125R: I think that it looks better in the flesh because of the angle. Standing - or even riding alongside one - your eyes are above the pods. That changes their perceived size and shape. The official photos are standard side shots, closer to the view you'd have if you were sitting on the floor. I don't care what my bike looks like when I'm changing the oil.

Kudos to the styling department, who must have paraphrased the mantra by thinking "Viewed from the rider down".
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Brad1445
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 04:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On Topic - The bike does look better in person than in photos. It was mentioned above it's possibly due to standing angle vs side on photo shots. Some may think better means perfect, others may mean just better. I think it is better, but still not proportioned consistently from head to tail.

Off Topic - There is little debate if any on this site. It truly is more of a worship site. I have come to this alter for years. But I will admit that as soon as I said negative comments about the looks in photos of the 1125 I was jumped pretty hard. Do a search on the 1125R across the web. It is slightly controversial styling. I do wish there was more open and honest discussion here. Good honest accurate feedback is true loyalty to Buell.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 05:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Take a leaf out of my book and try debate rather than insult.

OK, I'll give you the first shot. Let's keep it a logical debate.
What do you see as the top five problems with the Buell design of the 1125R?
Please be logical and objective.
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M2nc
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like the 1125R as a whole. But as a manufacturer with experience in fabrication, quality control systems, design engineering and assembly, I was really put back by one of the 1125R at my local dealer. I thought it had to be a one-off over sight. Now I see it on the bike pictured above and can't believe it. Does anyone else notice this waving frame? At the front weld, which at work we would classify as a class "A" surface because of where it is located, there are obvious grind marks from where someone tried to clean up weld spatter. The result of the poor grinding is a waving surface which to me is unacceptable. I hate to say we rejected fork lift parts with class A surfaces for the same thing. Am I the only one who sees it?
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Rocketman
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 06:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK, I'll give you the first shot. Let's keep it a logical debate.
What do you see as the top five problems with the Buell design of the 1125R?
Please be logical and objective.


I already gave three (not necessarily problems though) in my QB post just 24 hours ago. Here's the relevant extract.

"So what of the 1125? Is it a Coke bottle design? I don't think so, and I don't believe anyone else does either. Certainly not anyone beyond the Buell crowd. What the 1125 is, where design is concerned, is a compromise surrounding individual designs that are forced together by three major things. Working and staying close to the XB platform design whilst introducing a new liquid cooled engine, and how to incorporate the cooling necessities involved whilst remaining faithful to Buells 'Trilogy' of design."

The entire post is here......

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=4062&post=1041406#POST1041406

and it's perhaps best the discussion continue on that thread rather than here. Though I doubt the ones keen to flame me will participate in what's at times been a rather fruitful and topical thread.

Rocket
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Buellzebub
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 07:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

looks way better in person... can't wait til the snow melts n the demo rides happen. gotta ride before i buy, don't wanna make the S1 too jealous yet.
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Gschuette
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wasn't impressed at all when I saw one at the dealership. It was sitting alone in the center of the dealer so I could take it all in. The pods look even worse in person. They just go too far forward and look unfinished against the nice fairing. It also needs a 1098 type of seat. Something with some shape. The firebolt look just doesn't work with that front end. I won't even touch on the frame and wheel color. I still wouldn't mind having the pirelli version but I don't see myself getting one in its current form.
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Jedipunk
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My 1125R is already under construction.

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Gtmg
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I finally saw one last weekend and in the crowd it looks much better in person than in pictures. As a matter of fact I was shocked how good this bike really looks. It appears to be well made and put together. The few concern I noticed is the rear tire is very very close to the exhaust and the shifter has limited room for a boot...kind of an odd position. I think for the sportbike crowd this one is a winner.
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1313
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 11:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Carlos,

I think, perhaps, if you classify that part of the frame as a class A surface you might be ready for some kind of Harley. You know - the garage art kind.

Buell's take has always been that a class A surface is anything that you can see when you are on the bike. Because as we all know, bikes are made to be ridden. Yes, I saw the similar irregularity on the 1125R at Shelton's and it must've threw my eye enough that I didn't get any pictures of it.

I'm not trying to say it's right, as I wouldn't really care for it if it were on a motorcycle I was considering buying, just pointing out that cosmetic specs can't always be compared apples to apples from industry to industry.

Heck, looking at the pictures above, it could very well be the lighting inside the dealership throwing a shadow here or there making it look like it an irregularity. Of the 3 1125R's I saw when I was home for Christmas I could only get 'up close and personal' with 2 of them and they were BUELL-tiful!

1313
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 03:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It also needs a 1098 type of seat.

Yeah, the kind that is angled towards the tank so your nuts get crushed. But then again the seat is important aesthetically, You gotta be kidding me.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 07:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

1313 - what are you talking about?
Is there a deleted post that would tie in?

As far as irregularities go, has anyone else wondered about the odd curves in the front part of the new plastic heat dam behind the rear cylinder?
Right where it faces the rear exhaust it has a pair of different radius curved reliefs where it faces the pipe/heatshield.






Just trying to understand the reason.
Z
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Rocketman
Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 07:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Zac4mac
Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ahhh, so that's the referenced "irregularity"?
Thanks Sean, makes sense now.

Yes there are ripples in the frame there.
It's one of the first things I noticed when we decrated.
I figured it was from baffles or something inside.
You really have to have the lighting just right to see it, it's not normally obvious.

Zack
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M2nc
Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 08:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah that's the spot. Brankin, it makes sense that this must meet some quality standard at Buell. At first I thought it was some sort of oversight, but if there are multiple examples of these frames, someone had to pass these as acceptable. The XB frame looks better and I would not buy a bike with grind marks exposed on such a visible surface of the bike. On the second bike at the local dealer the grind marks were not as bad, but the bike still had visible weld spatter instead. Like I said before, we reject or rework fork lift parts with class "A" surfaces for the same thing. Trust me when I say I have inspected and rejected my fair share of surface imperfections. That experience has me sensitive to such issues, so maybe I am just picky.
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Rd3501
Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry to hurt some peoples feelings...But I waited until I saw it in person to give any feed back. I have to say the bike does not flow well at all. It is not that good looking in person. The front faring is hugh and does not go with the rest of the bike. Sorry but the 5 year old Firebolt has smother lines and still looks better. Its like someone hit it with 2 ugly sticks..It can be fix how ever with more plastic..

I give the 1125R two thumbs down on looks. : ( But hey they finally put the helmet catch on the bike to hold the helmet under the seat. At least they got that right...now still cant figure out how to change the tire because no rear stand will hold the bike up....: (

Oh and the welds on the muffler are just plan 10 grade metal shop quailty..Who welded the muffler together should be fired..
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Socoken
Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I will admit to cringing a bit when I saw the muffler welds.
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Unibear12r
Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Every 1125 at the track days had that dimple on the left side only and always in the exact same spot. It's not a grind mark, it appears to be an intended part of the frame for whatever reason.

(Message edited by Unibear12r on January 07, 2008)
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Baggermike
Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I do not understand why people are having a debate on looks, it is the performance that matters, and that it is a American vtwin and a American sport bike, when riding I am looking at the road not the bike, I feel very comfortable riding this bike, and the handling and performance is what I paid for, if I wanted looks I would build my own bike. I feel this bord is for us guys who own the bike already, if not just read and do not post, this is are place, 1125R OWNERS, and if you do not OWN ONE, then do not post, just read and keep your opinions to yourself, it is bad manners to give a opinion of a bike you do not own, on a bord for owners of the bike. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO READ, BUT DO NOT POST UNLESS YOU OWN THE BIKE. MIKE
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Metalstorm
Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 10:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So some one like my self who absolutely loves this bike but doesn't own one and has to covet his buddies 1125R can't contribute positively to this section???

Well that stinks
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Socoken
Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I built you a house that was amazing on the inside, but the outside had some defects, the defects wouldnt bother you because you dont see them from the inside?

Im sorry, but I dont agree with all function and no form.
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