| Author | Message | ||
     Paroyboy |
and yes the Buell factory does owe us! Your product needs us more than we need you. Now there's a way to get the company's attention. Belittle them and insult them. Good job! What is the big deal in waiting for another couple of days or hell, another couple of weeks. Is anyone acutally going to show up on the dealers doorstep on July 15 and expect the new bike to be there? Man, most of you guys must have been a real pain in the ass around Christmas time when you were kids! Anon had more balls than I do. I know things but I also know not to leak anything. I work for the MoCo and know they wont hesitate to walk you to the door for spilling secrets. We're reminded of the confidentiality clause at every meeting we have. Whether you agree with the "information blackout" or not is pretty much irrelevant. It's the way "The Company" wants it and the way they will have it! It could be worse, the 2004 Harleys arent being unveiled until Aug. 30. | ||
| Jst |
Donn, If you'll be there next week, I'll be there. We need to talk business. I'm mostly tired of that crowd other than a select few. JT | ||
| Ray_maines |
I really don’t understand the “Anon” concept as it is used here. Is there a person who works for HD or BMC who has registered on the BadWeB using his real name and who wants to share privileged information with us but doesn’t want to be found out by his boss? Could such a person be clever enough to get and hold a job that gives him privilege to insider information but can’t find a way to hide his identity any more securely than to check the “Anonymous” box at the bottom of the page? Would such a person be willing to trust Blake, Don Castro, and whoever might hack into the Moderator section of the BadWeB to keep his identity secret and his job secure? None of this Anonymous stuff makes sense to me. It would be so much easier to create a bogus e-mail address and then register under a phony name and post any information he felt was worth posting. That way our supposed “mole” would protect himself and his reputation from other Anonymous posters and in time he would establish a personality and a reputation, and save himself the indignity of being slammed as charlatan. I love and respect Blake, Aaron, Don, Court & a lot of others here on the BBS but I have a hard time feeling good about a person who would check the “Anonymous” button and, therefore, cause Blake & the others to set themselves apart as being part of some sort of a “inner circle” and to force them to put their own integrity and reputation out for public criticism. Anony, that’s no way to treat your friends. Come on, dude, figure out a better way to do your business. | ||
| Elvis |
So there are two camps: Camp 1 values anonymous posts. Camp 2 is annoyed by anonymous posts. Both camps have expressed passionate, compelling reasons why they feel the way they do. If anonymous posts continue, Camp 2 is not harmed (in any way I can see). If anonymous posts stop, Camp 1 has lost something that they value. Since this debate has started there have not been any anonymous posts. I'm afraid Camp 2 may have won. I imagine most anonymous posters will be very reluctant to post from this moment on. Why would anybody go out on a limb to help us when they realize that not only do some people not appreciate their efforts, but some actually hold it against them? That's too bad. I'm afraid this web-site may have lost something that made it very special. Sorry anons, you'll be missed. | ||
| Ray_maines |
I spent so long handcrafting my heartfelt response to the “Anonymous” issue that I missed a couple of posts. My response is as follows: MZ: I’m glad you’re here and I hope you continue to post frequently but I respectfully disagree with just about everything you just posted. Donn: Right on, bro! Paroyboy sez “Now there's a way to get the company's attention. Belittle them and insult them. Good job!” I know you’re being sarcastic but I agree with the literal words you wrote. The Mother Companies attention should be got (so to speak). They owe us! They need us worse than we need them. They damn well better pay a little attention to the faithful, everybody from Aprilia to Yamaha (maybe even Zundap) makes a great sport bike these days and there are more than a few good web sites to go along with the good bikes. If it takes public embarrasment to catch their attention, then so be it. Here's the edited part: Elvis: I suppose I’m in camp 1 ¾. I’m a gossip whore, I admit it, but I don’t put much faith in someone that can’t do any better than click the Anonie box. If we loose him, we haven’t lost much. He might even start posting under some totally BS name like "Elvis" or something. My point here is that we are ALL anonymous! Or at least as anonymous as we want to be. I hate that check box at the bottom of the page. edited by ray_maines on July 12, 2003 | ||
| Pilk |
Jim, I like the P4me its kinda cool. wonder about the top speed and cruising range. Pilk ps Blake, you do a great job of anony deciding, keep up the good work.  | ||
| Jim_witt |
Rob mentioned: Jim, I like the P4me its kinda cool. Wonder about the top speed and cruising range. Yea, it's sort of an interesting design. Really like the fairing, extended mirrors, thicker seat and how they designed the battery storage area where the engine normally goes. Glad they made something for the taller and bigger dudes like Blake too. Can't comment on the top speed and range at the moment (gott'a watch the competition ya know). Only a few more days and you’ll have all the details! -JW:>0 | ||
| Jim_witt |
David wrote: ...... Those of us that haven't chimed in on your post are only speechless ...... Yea, I was sort'a speechless myself when I first saw the puppy. Actually got a woody too. Can't wait to turn up engine volume control. -JW:>  | ||
| Josh_ |
>None of this Anonymous stuff makes sense to me. It would be so much easier to create a bogus e-mail address and then register under a phony name and post any information he felt was worth posting. So you're assuming it's just one person? What ever happened to AnonR anyway? | ||
| Glitch |
Jim: How fast will it go?  | ||
| Ray_maines |
Josh: Only Blake knows for sure. In fact, I think the Anony poster might just be Blake. Or maybe Barney F. For all I know, it might be me. I'm probably drunk and can't remember from one minute to the next what the hell I post. Anony RM | ||
| Blake |
Would it really make any difference if the anony posters used another anonymous name complete with blank user profile? I know who and how to mess with. I'm gonna send all ye anony haters anonymous Christmas cards postmarked in Uncertain, Texas. I agree it might help placate some of the anony nannywannies if the anony posters could adopt some unique signature, kinda like the old "AnonR" or something similar. I know of one anony post that recently nailed a diagnosis of my buddy Keith's electrical problem on his bike. I recall other anony posts clarifying technical issues, like that it is a bad idea to remove the cam cover without removing the rockerboxes. Or that Buell will soon release an upgrade kit for speedo sensors. Or any number of other technical tips and guidance. Other anony posts give insight into the Buell racing scene and new model development. If you knew who was posting anonymously you would likely say, oh... never mind. These are people of integrity, and sometimes passion. But their valued participation here is simply not up for debate. Y'all are wasting your breath on it, really. The good simply outweighs the bad. Besides, if the likes of William G. Davidson was ever discovered to be the world's biggest Buell enthusiast, what do you think his throngs of Harley-Davidson loyalists would think? | ||
| Ray_maines |
"Would it really make any difference if..." YES! | ||
| Jim_witt |
Hey, Speaking of Christmas cards ...... This isn't a line of shit either ...... I know this guy named Harry Inanus, we call him Harry Anus. He named his son Justin Anus and his wifes name is Ima Anus. They sign their Christmas cards, Season Greetings, Ima Justin Harry Inanus Weird, -JW:> | ||
| Ray_maines |
OK...................... | ||
| Glitch |
Who knew that rumors of a new bike, English magazines, and people that wanted to remain anonymous would cause all this mess. I thought it was all pretty funny at first, but now it doesn't seem so funny any more. MCN knows that contraversy sells magazines. Buell knows anticipation spurs interest. And, sometimes people want to say something, for whatever reason, and don't want their friends, co-workers, whomever to know it was them that said it. I've often wanted to say something and not want any one to know it was me for various reasons. Really it's ok. MCN will sell magazines, Buell will sell new bikes (for a long time I hope), and people will want to post anonymously. It's ok. | ||
| Dynarider |
Maybe the anons could be assigned numbers? Number 1-2-3 etc. That way when you see say for example anon 3 posting stuff that turns out to almost always be true or helpful than you would lend more credence to it. Where as is anon 2 had maybe a 25% rate of success you would tend to not listen as much. Of course I also dont know why the anons cant simply make up a name like "helpfullguy" or "arrogant one" etc etc. After all we are all anon unless you have actually met & talked with the folks here. I have met folks like Blake, Roger, Jose, Bluzm2..aka Brad, etc. But anon could be anyone, why not simply create an online persona using any old weird name & stick with it? Unless an admin "outs" that person there is no way of determining who it is. But it seems like we have multiple anons here & at times even they cant agree on issues. It would really help to keep our anons straight  Anyways within 36 hrs or so, we should know if anon knows that of what he speaks, or if he was simply bluffing. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Having the two tiered levels of anons is the best way to do it, at least for us the users of the board. Anyone with privledged info likely also has gobs of non-privledged info. They participate normally and helpfully, and get a "reputation of trust" built up. When they have a piece of information that needs to be shared, but don't want it immediately traced back to them with a trivial effort... They simply post the message, check the "anon" box, and the information is out. Blake checks the "real" poster, decides if the individual has credibility based on qualifications, past history on the board, and reputation. If they don't, he (from what I have seen) asks them to stop without exposing their identity. If they repeatedly "abuse" the anon feature, then they are exposed. The "ID that goes nowhere" is yet another level of anonimity, and some of the anons you see here are likely in that category, even though they still check the anon box. The problem is credibility, a purely anon submission is indistuinguishable from background noise... there is no "credibility metric". So the current system works well.. for us the users. Who it works badly for is everyone else. Blake could end up getting sued over it, many of the anons could loose their jobs or access to info over it, and the factory does not have control over things they "own". This has not happened yet because nobody has given any real info that is really company proprietary, because Blake won't roll over on a telephone call from some legal blowhard, and because the factory (at least the one with the blue sign out front) cares about it's owners pain. In other words, it is working because everyone relevant is behaving themselves. It also works as expected. I have yet to see any real privledged information come out of anon sources, it is typically just aggressive customer service, or people trying to calm us down when we start going nuts over "rumors" that are not true, when we start giving bad advice, or when we are about to spend a LOT of money on something that is wrong or irrelevant. I can give concrete examples of all three of the above over the last year. I would love to have the real scoop, but the only way to get it would be for somebody at the factory to risk their job, or a press or dealer type to risk their ability to get timely access to information. I don't want the information so bad that I want somebody to loose their job. I am looking forward to the 14th. I'll wait. | ||
| Dave |
...bunch of silly shit. Like someone else said ... we're all freakin' anonymous. If it were my board (and it's not), I'd have everyone register just to keep who ya are straight. Separate the wheat from the chaff at least initially. Since it's not ... rock on Blake. Back to the topic ... So what if MCN stirred up the hype. Look at all the talk over their scoop w/'04 Buell offerings now ... plus the fact that I (perhaps like others) would like to check out MCN now ... mission success & advertisers happy. DAve edited by dave on July 13, 2003 | ||
| Hoser |
I understand why some individuals choose to hide their identity ,the one time I posted as anon , joining in a discussion that was already in progress about broken valve guides , this resulted in an attempt to have my ass fired !!. I dont post Anonymous any more , not due to fear of being fired ( like I give a fuck! ) , I would rather my participation here be of a positive nature , I dont mind helping solve problems , then I feel I have contributed something. To the jerks who tried to get me fired   | ||
| Buellzebub |
1 more sleep!  Good morning everyone, do yourselves a favor, step away from the keyboard and go for a ride. have sweet dreams tonite and tomorrow you will be rewarded or punished by the benevolent motor company's marketing wizards. curious in Canada | ||
| Bykergeek |
2 Tiers of Anons sort of defeats the purpose of being anonymous - that is being privileged to share in otherwise inside info while the anon has no public identity... Sleep Well good Buellmen and Buellwomyn because the Buell Faerie will bring tidings of good things whilst thy sleepeth nigh.  | ||
| Blake |
"If it were my board (and it's not), I'd have everyone register just to keep who ya are straight." Anonymous or not, no one can post unless they are registered. | ||
| Blaster420 |
My credibility-0. I don't think that the anon postings are the problem. I think that the problem is that these new bikes are being designed. That is what started this all off. Stop designing new bikes, don't make it interesting for the customers and set a date when everyone will be shown the new stuff. There are enough new motorcycles out there as it is. We don't need any new tech stuff any more. Stepping away from the crack pipe now. | ||
| Cyclone1 |
This topic has been blown wayyyyyy out of proportion IMHO. Things are the way they are, so deal with it  Frank | ||
| Blaster420 |
Frank, I agree completely, I think that was what I was getting at in my only humorous to me way. | ||
| Sparropie |
Sheesh...you all talk like this is some kind of international intrigue/ conspiracy to overthrow the leader of the V-Twin world! Anonodude really didn't say squat. Certainly no revelations given. And as for RocketGuy; it's not hard to get him spewing vitriol towards any who would not agree with his offical line of Sheepleocracy. Personaly, my love of the marque declines with each new failure of my un-trusty S3. Galen  | ||
| Prof_stack |
Galen, time to upgrade your S3 to an XB! 9 or 9+ or 12, we'll find out tomorrow, I hope.  Prof | ||
| Rocketman |
Here's what all the fuss is about........ Don't believe everything you read in MCN -- no, better make that: Be careful believing anything you read in MCN. They definitely do not have the facts right here. As far as I can see Anony told us that he knows more than MCN wrt the new Buell. He further told us in a later post that he'd been reading MCN for more than 25 years which seems rather odd considering he's careful about believing anything written in the bloody rag. Simply, that's an insult to MCN, and for what? Mentioning those paltry items we've guessed upon for ages and playing with photoshop OR telling some truth about the new Buell? Either way I wouldn't wish him his job loss nor would I wish him gone from Badweb despite imo his unfortunate choice of words towards a sound motorcycling publication. That's my beef that's all. I stand by the other points I raised and I don't give a rats arse if Buell tell me four days in advance or four weeks after, what their new model is. Rocket  | ||
| Mikej |
Today is July 14, 2003. Are they awake in 'Vegas yet? |
