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Rocketman
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 10:42 pm: | 
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Somewhere over £10000 and under £11000 in mainland Britain.
I'd never expect Buell (HD) to build a sportsbike to line up next to a Japanese sports bike. Ducati, MV, Benelli, Bimota, that type of thing, that's what I'd expect and I'm sure they could build it profitably no matter the size of production. I'd also wager they could do it from drawing board to showroom within a year if they wanted to.
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Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 10:46 pm: |
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I don't think much more than 120RWHP does any good on dirt. No traction.
edited by blake on June 24, 2003 |
S320002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 11:03 pm: |
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Blake,
Have you ever walked across a dirt track after a sprint car or flat track bike race? It's dang near as sticky as a dragstrip. Outlaw sprint cars put out as much HP as the Winston Cup cars and they use every bit of it in the dirt. In fact they will often carry the front wheels coming out of a corner. You can also hear the tires howling and sometimes even see them smoking. There's plenty of traction, it's just different than pavement.
Greg |
Davegess
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 11:14 pm: |
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greg is right about the traction, being able to use it is another story, everyone is always asking "how does it hook up?"
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Imonabuss
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 11:42 pm: |
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Roger,
You say you personally talked to a VP and he said he wasn't fond of what Buell had? Right, a Honda VP maybe, but not one from Harley-Davidson. You just shot your credibility, buddy. |
S320002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 12:16 am: |
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Ah yes Dave, you are correct, and a story that has been going on for years. You probably remember how frustrated Honda was when they first tried flat track racing. Lots of horsepower but they couldn't get it to the track. At the risk of pushing Blake's equation and analysis button; it has alot to do with power pulses.
Greg |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 01:14 am: |
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Have I walked across a dirt track he says...
Dirt Trackin' Kilgore, TX Style
(4MB AVI Clip, not for the bandwidth impaired, requires Quicktime Player)
edited by blake on June 25, 2003 |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 03:45 am: |
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Busman he didn't say Honda, YOU DID. You just shot your credibility, buddy.
Rocket |
Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 05:35 am: |
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Engr:
Okay you could try that, but most projects are like pregnancy, if you have nine women pregnant for a month you still don't have a baby. You could also try inducing labor at seven or eight months but it could kill the project. What do you want to do?
Know who said that? . . . it was:
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Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 05:47 am: |
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>>>Busman he didn't say Honda, YOU DID.
Absolutely and an accurate statement. There is a great deal of enthusiasm within the top ranks of Harley-Davidson about Buell. I know, I just spoke to a Vice President.
I have a secret for you as well, I had dinner with a Honda Vice President at the Rockefeller Motorcycle Show last year (you may recall the photo of the "private showing" of the Honda NAS I posted from a friend's house) and Honda, I am thrilled to say, has tremendous enthusiasm for Buell.
Regardless of what you may think, Honda sees Buell as no threat to putting them out of business and there seems to be great admiration for Erik's design and engineering abilities and they have no problem with letting Buell "test the commerical waters" with concepts like rim brakes.
No HD VP would bad mouth Buell. Simply put, an inaccurate statement.
Court |
Crusty
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 05:48 am: |
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quote:If you want Harley to design the superbike then you have a whole other set of hurdles to overcome. HD gave it a shot already and failed to succeed in creating a world class superbike, and it was never intended for mass production; it was just a race bike.
Proof that the AMA is prejudiced in favor of Harley-Davidson. If it was a Japanese manufacturer, they would have had to produce the required number of street bikes.
You might try reading the homologation rules in effect when HD entered the VR1000. I guess you think the Honda RC30 and RC45 were mass produced bikes?
edited by blake on June 25, 2003 |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 06:27 am: |
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No HD VP would bad mouth Buell. Simply put, an inaccurate statement.
Court
Just want to see what Rog has to say about that. |
Grndskpr
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 07:46 am: |
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You say you personally talked to a VP and he said he wasn't fond of what Buell had?
No HD VP would bad mouth Buell. Simply put, an inaccurate statement.
What i said was he was not fond of what Buell had out NOW, said the same thing i have said that they dont fit, if you decide you do not belive what is say thats fine, however there were 2 other people from this board that were present during the conversation, simply put, you can choose to belive me or not, however my credability is not based on the internet like some of you, again Court you really need to take read comprehention courses, i dont think tell me or anyone for that matter that a bike is not to his/her liking is bad mouthing, but since you have to look at everything from a negative perspective, well, i guess anything will ruin your week, VP's are riders too, and guess what, they are not required to love every bike produced by there company, and some times, talking one on one, they actually become people, not retarted mouth pieces that spit out the company line every chance they get, again the facts i have presented are for all matters true, i gain nothing from BSing, like some of you, but again you decide
Blake, if everything you say is true(which i belive) How did Aprilla do it???Still waiting for an answer
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Bads1
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 09:18 am: |
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The new Ducati 999 Blake would be around $20,000.00 out the door for a 999S the R model only 47 made it to this country.And not much difference between the two the R is up on the S by 8hp. |
Bads1
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 01:12 pm: |
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Also would like to say it's a awesome ride. |
S320002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 03:07 pm: |
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Court,
I dont' know who the dude in the suit is but if he said that I guess he beat me to it.
Greg |
S320002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 03:23 pm: |
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Dyna,
I see you're back. Remember this? You never answered.
"Hopefully have an FZ1..."
This is a perfect example of why I asked The Question.
Yamaha makes the "race replica" R1 but you, being a practical man, choose the less powerful, slower, partially-faired and lower tech but more street oriented FZ1. Yamaha makes two excellent examples of the RR type bike you think Buell needs but you choose something else. Why is that?
Does The Question make more sense now?
Greg |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 03:31 pm: |
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Greg,
Put your mouse cursor over the pic and the identity will be revealed. Shame on you. 
Roger,
Your original comment, now clarified makes sense and is perfectly credible. But the impression that I and most others originally got from your comment was that you were claiming that a Harley-Davidson executive was making a business evaluation statement WRT Buell in general, not a statement concerning his own personal riding preference. BIG difference.
Blake, if everything you say is true(which I believe) How did Aprilla do it???Still waiting for an answer
How did Aprilia do what?
Note: For your own safety and well being, please do not believe EVERYTHING that I say is true. |
S320002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 03:42 pm: |
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Blake,
Consider me properly chastised. Guess I missed that day in history class. I'm still pissed that he stole my line.
Greg |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 04:07 pm: |
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I would chose the FZ1 over the R1 based on my needs. If it was strictly an around town & track bike I wanted then the R1 would be my choice.
But I want a bike that can also tour as well. Take the wife, throw on some soft saddlebags & do a banzai run to Boston for lunch. The R1 would kill me for long distance stuff, but the FZ's ergos are great.
I also like the fact that there are only 5-6 bikes produced that put out more hp than the fz1. makes those long distance runs a little faster
I like the looks of the XB9S but for 2 up its simply 2 small & underpowered for what I need. Stretch the bike out another 3" or so, add another gallon of fuel & throw the V-rod or a rotax motor in it & I would be all over it. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 05:08 pm: |
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I also like the fact that there are only 5-6 bikes produced that put out more hp than the fz1. makes those long distance runs a little faster.
I think it's more on the order of a dozen or more. |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 06:36 pm: |
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Blake, it was in one of the sportbike magazines. They actually gave the numbers & wrote that only 5-6 bikes had more hp. If I can find the article, I will post the numbers but Im not going to get nutz looking for it.
Waiting for the rain to hit soon. 95 degs & muggier than hell, hope the rain cools it off some. |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 06:48 pm: |
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Blake, according to the April 2003 MCN the FZ1 is ranked #8 for best rwhp.
#1 ZX12R=161.2
#2 Busa=151.1
#3 GSXR1000=139
#4 CBR1100XX=134.4
#5 ZX11=133
#6 ZZ-R1200=131.3
#7 R1=127.2
#8 FZ1=124.9
The Bike also comes in at #7 for best Power to weight ratio with a 1:4.10
For comparison purposes the XB9R's ratio is 1:5.98 |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 07:45 pm: |
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I would have thought that the following would also put more power to the dyno that the FZ1.
CBR954RR
955i
ZX-9R
At least in USA trim. |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 08:18 pm: |
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The 955I is at 121.4 rwhp
The ZX-9R is 121.2 rwhp
Interestingly enough they dont have a listing for the 954RR..the 929RR is putting down 123.8 rwhp, so I would imagine the 964 would be a tad bit more.
Either way it doesnt matter. Once you get over 110-115 rwhp you have a monster on your hands anyways. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 08:46 pm: |
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quote:You might try reading the homologation rules in effect when HD entered the VR1000. I guess you think the Honda RC30 and RC45 were mass produced bikes?
You could buy a V-four Honda. How many 60 degree OHC liquid cooled Harleys could you buy? For that matter, How many were built in time for Daytona in 1994?
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Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 09:21 pm: |
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Oh, so all a manufacturer needs for homologation is a mass produced bike that uses an engine with the same number of cylinders and rough configuration? Gee, I'm sorry... I guess I was confused in thinking that a manufacturer had to produce the whole bike. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 10:08 pm: |
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OH, like all the VR1000s I see all over the place? |
S320002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 10:57 pm: |
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Hmmm? Seems that some people prefer a more practical bike over a "race replica". Gee I wonder if anyone at Buell has taken that into consideration? D'ya think maybe???
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Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 - 11:01 pm: |
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Crusty,
OH, like all the VR1000s I see all over the place?
Yep, just like them. |
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