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M2nc
| | Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 08:53 pm: | 
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I have seen too many plant closures in my lifetime. I lived through the Norwood GM plant closure, that was sad. |
Buellshyter
| | Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 09:42 pm: |
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The Ford claim has always been a bit misleading. The F-150 does or did outsell the Chevy Silverado but not Chevy and the GM Sierra combined, which are basically the same truck. |
Mr1spd
| | Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 10:03 pm: |
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I skimmed through and read a little here is my take on it. i work in for the Union as a book 4 in my local IBEW. What I see is the members are worried more about themselves than the Union. The welder mentioned above should have been replaced and sent back for training. He should have taken it upon himself. Myself i do the best job I can. I represent not only myself, but the Union I work for. The way I see it is that if you pay a non union worker a fair wage, then he/she can afford to live and put money back into the economy. MOST of the time the person who makes the most money for a non union shop is the shop owner. Believe me my little brother works non union and has dick for benefits. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 10:07 pm: |
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Yeah kind of like every car out there claiming to be the "best selling in it's class", then you read the fine print and they
define the class as sedan/coupe/whatever withing 200lbs of the car/truck in question. It's all marketing propaganda. |
M2nc
| | Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2007 - 11:14 am: |
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Shut my mouth, sounds like the UAW is going to take care of the health plan for its members and take it off GM. I am astounded. An excellent move by the Union, though risky. Now that is the value to the company I am talking about. First good move I've seen UAW do in a long time. |
Ryker77
| | Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2007 - 09:40 pm: |
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My bet is UAW is making a PROFIT from this -- And in say 10 years of so. All Sh1T will hit the fan when the money is lost - stolen - not accounted for. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Saturday, September 29, 2007 - 11:09 pm: |
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Ryker,
Rest assured should that happen, criminal proceedings will be following as well as a giant sucking sound for the UAW.
I think this is a very positive outcome. I haven't had the time to read up on the details, but if GM was able to pass the obligation back to the UAW it's a good step toward keeping GM in the black.
My guess is that the trade off was guaranteed production units. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2007 - 11:21 am: |
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I'm union. I have issues, sometimes, with the politics, but it's needed.
When I worked for Lightnin Mixers, the Machinist's Union tried to get in. Every week, the company President would come talk to us, explain the open door policy, was nice & approachable. After we voted the union down, for $ reasons, ( we figured we were doing ok, but the union would cost us money & was going down hill ) never saw the co.prez. again. Not sure how open the door was. That Plant is closed now.
At a Union meeting last year, I got cheered & boo'd in seconds. When the call for donations to our political bribery fund came ( they have an acronym for it, I don't recall now ) I was first to step up with cash. When I asked why we didn't bribe both parties, since the #'s were equal, more or less in the Senate, and IMO the one we have been bribing wasn't doing enough for us, stuff was thrown at me. Fair enough.
I did find it funny when the Union endorsed a candidate for president in one issue of the news letter, THEN gave an article on the various positions of the candidates in the NEXT issue..... LOL No views were given on/by the "other" parties candidates. No surprise there either.
Bottom line, in a business with a hostile interface between management & workers, Unions are very cool. You may speculate that being a union shop makes a business that way, but history shows exploiting workers, sometimes to death, long predates the AFL-CIO.
On the other hand, I've been treated fairly & had good experience with non union shops. The need for a union seems to me to be dependent on how crappy management is.
GM management seems to suck, large. |
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