| Author | Message | ||
     Gschuette |
Hey guys good news. last weekend I finished the Rider's Edge class and today I finally got a motorcycle endorsement on my license. Finally getting the Buell ownership wheels turning some 10 years after I originally decided I wanted one. Anyway I decided I want a TT. because of the long travel shocks and the 12 engine. I figure the plates and front fender can be swapped out easily enough. I really dig the improvements made to engine this year. A higher redline and no more TPS resets sound great. Anyway Las Vegas Harley has had an 07 TT sitting around for a while and said they would lower the price to $9,500 and might be able to wave the set up fees. I think they just want me in the showroom and won't really wave the fees. Also there is a dealer in northern Utah that doesn't charge set up fees. So add tax to MSRP and you have the out the door price. Should I forget the improvements and save $700 dollars or get the new one? Also the one in Vegas is orange so I would have to spend, what $200 to get a new airbox? So I guess I would save $500. I kind of think the improvements are worth it but then again I have never been on an 07 or older XB to know for sure. Maybe it doesn't need the extra rpm. Let me know what you think. | ||
| Metalstorm |
Crank sensor for timing on the 08. No tps resets on the 08. Better oil pump on the 08. Pre wired for heated grips on the 08. No flywheel sprocket shaft nut coming loose on the 08. Just make sure to maintain your oil level because the cams are hollow on the 08  | ||
| Xl1200r |
Improvements aside, you'd only be saving $500 on the bike. When it comes time to resell, you might take a bigger hit than $500 for a bike that's just 1 model year older. | ||
| Gschuette |
I was kind of thinking 08 as well. Plus it will never have been demoed which is nice. | ||
| Luxor |
With the improvements to the '08, for $500 over an '07? I say DUH, Yes, buy the 08. | ||
| Svo1023 |
i'd sell ya an 07 tt for 8800.00 i have a white one too....all ya have to do is take a little trip to florida. Mike | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
I'd wait for an 08 to hit the showroom floor, then offer $1500.00 less on the 07. I was at a dealer two days ago. They have an 07 on the floor right now and when I was looking at it, the owner said..."make me an offer, ...please!" If you can shave off a grand, I'd say the deal would be worth it. (Message edited by buellinachinashop on August 22, 2007) | ||
| Pmpski_1 |
Get the 08. It'll be worth the money in TPS resets over the long haul. | ||
| Teeps |
I think the improvements of the '08 over the '07, justify getting the '08. | ||
| Court |
I've got the bug and have been mulling it over . . . I kinda tend to agree. | ||
| Freezerburn |
The 300 RPM increase is also noteworthy. If I had that, I'm sure I would have hit the rev limiter far fewer times. There are many here that have thought a bit more over-rev would be helpful. The '08 for sure. | ||
| Blake |
"No flywheel sprocket shaft nut coming loose on the 08." That hasn't been an issue since the new torque spec took effect in mid model year 2006 I believe. The '07's should all be good to go in that respect. I agree though; I don't normally put model year upgrades ahead of price considerations, but the '08 Buell XBikes offer some serious improvements/enhancements that I would find impossible to pass up. | ||
| Metalstorm |
I know the 2006 models had the shaft nut torqued higher but they now have something a bit different. An expanding bolt or something like that. I'm sorry, I can't remember it exactly but Al explained it to me at Seca and at the time I was impressed. But as soon as they started up the 1125R I sorta forgot everything | ||
| 12rrrrrr |
dont pay dealership asking price - always haggle - if u get a discount on the 08 - sounds a better buy than an 07 | ||
| Gschuette |
No one seems to really take me serious. They usually just say you pay our price or you don't get the bike. 08s seem to be the way to go. | ||
| Lazyj |
i think the 08 Finally has most of the additions done to the bike that should have been done starting from 03 but obvisously its hard to know what improvements are needed till people have ridden and critisized it for a few years..............go with the 08 | ||
| Towjam |
i think the 08 Finally has most of the additions done to the bike that should have been done starting from 03 but obvisously its hard to know what improvements are needed till people have ridden and critisized it for a few years..............go with the 08 I've read some discouraging posts about the glitchy FI still being a problem on the '08s. I have an '08 12R on order and am going later today to test ride another '08. If the FI is still a problem, I'm canceling my order. On the other hand, the reduced maintenance on the '08s (especially with regards to the TPS resets) make it well worth the money over the previous years' models (at least IMHO). | ||
| Towjam |
Did my '08 12R test ride this afternoon. Temps were in the low 90s but the humidity was pretty high. I did about 20 miles of freeway and stop/go traffic. Maybe it's just me but the 12R definitely sounded quieter than either of my stock '07s. It also seemed to idle more smoothly and I didn't encounter any throttle "hiccups" that are so prevalent with the earlier models. But... There some a LOT of decel popping in 1st and 2nd and the bike felt much hotter on my legs and ankles than my '07 did. If past experience is any indicator though, the heat will lessen somewhat after break-in. My Arctic White 12R is on the truck and should be at the dealership be mid next week. I'm still on the fence though as to if I'm going to pull the trigger or hold off and give the 1125 a year to get settled in. | ||
| Towjam |
oh, two other little nit-picks about the '08... a) A couple of the "Buell" decal letters on the gas tank were starting to pull off. It looked like someone had snagged the lettering with a towel when doing the make ready. I'm sure it would add to the cost but personally, I'd prefer a thin decal under clearcoat. b) When I first got on the bike, it had about 15 miles on it and the headers were already the same color as past years'. They were not the pristine silver color as shown on the website. No big deal but there was a thread on this right after the '08s were announced and someone said it looked like the '08 headers had been coated. | ||
| Towjam |
damn... forgot one more cool thing about the '08: No oil weeping around the oil cooler connection fittings. Every '07 on the showroom had oil on the fittings. The '08 was dry as a bone - before and after I rode it. | ||
| Vicster |
Please forgive a noob for kinda shotguning this question across the forums, but I'm in the same position as Gschuette and patience is not one of my virtues.  It sounds like the main advantage to the '08s is no TPS reset. If you're not going to be racing or doing a lot of track days, is the larger crankpin and stronger rod material going to make any difference to you? Doesn't the '08 alternator put out LESS power? Re:The new oil pump. I've read of no oil related failures on these forums and I've been lurking a while. Is the new oiling system a response to existing conditions, or was it done to allow them to save money by having the cams, etc., just ride in the case material instead of bushings? Will an oil related failure of the new system result in case replacement ($$$) instead of just new bushings? I know nothing of oil pumps, is the new pump a proven design? The '08 TT doesn't have the offset forks of the Uly, so no improvement there. I keep thinking if you're a street rider who keeps their bikes a long time, you're better off buying the '07 and the TPS software. Years down the road it might matter come rebuild time that your cases are bushed. Am I way off in my thinking here? 'Cause that TT is just sitting there mocking me... | ||
| Hughlysses |
I've read of no oil related failures on these forums and I've been lurking a while. Is the new oiling system a response to existing conditions, or was it done to allow them to save money by having the cams, etc., just ride in the case material instead of bushings? Will an oil related failure of the new system result in case replacement ($$$) instead of just new bushings? I know nothing of oil pumps, is the new pump a proven design? The old design oil pump drive gear was somewhat prone to excess wear and eventual failure. While not common, it was not exactly a rare problem on tube frame Buells. It has been also known to occasionally occur on XB's. The 2006 Buells added an upgraded bronze oil pump drive gear to address the problem. The 2007 Buells added increased scavenging capacity (the part of the pump that transfers oil from the engine back to the swingarm) to the pump. My guess is this was done to help keep oil consumption low by keeping the crankcase well-scavenged, preventing oil from getting whipped up by the crank and thrown at the rings. The new design oil pump was developed for the XBRR race bike which seems to show the old system is close to its performance limits in a ~100 HP engine. I think it's fair to say that the old oil pump configuration, while not bad, was the "weakest link" in the engine. Based on its appearance and its performance on the XBRR race bikes, the new oil pump is completely bullet proof and a significant improvement over the old system. If you don't regularly thrash your bike, it probably won't make any difference. OTOH, if you're out there bouncing off the rev limiter every time you ride the bike, I think the new oil pump setup is good insurance. | ||
| Gschuette |
Well I went to the dealer today. I rode a XB12SS that they had. I tried to order a TT but they were having problems with a computer or something. SO I will be ordering my Buell on Monday. 08 white TT hopefully. The bike was a ton of fun to ride. It was everything I ever hoped an XB would be. I can't wait to get it. Thanks you guys for clarifying all the differences. | ||
| Bikertrash05 |
I'll put my 2 cents in. I had a '05 XB9SX, and due to some electrical problems, and the very attractive improvements to the '08s, I traded up for a XB12Scg. I am still breaking it in, and it seems to run warmer, but I can tell there is more power on tap. I couldn't be happier. |
