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Miamiuly
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This may be flame worthy but has anyone considered trying one of these gimmicky finned oil filter coolers?

Not so much because it MIGHT scrub a few degrees off of filter temp but I was thinking that if there are no down sides, that it could add protection to the filter.

One seems to have a bolt that snugs the sleeve, seems in the past I've seen similar things attached with a hose clamp and maybe not a full tube.

Like it would wrap 3/4 around and hose clamp on, which would be good to provide some rock protection for filter on uly.

I'd want it flat black of course.



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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 09:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll wait till i see what everyone else posts, but I'm skeptical. Not sure how much my knowledge of computers and heat applies to motorcycles, but i believe that the cover would have to be a nice snug tight fit over the filter in order to make proper contact to transfer heat. The first picture shows the filter is too small, and i doubt it works well in that situation.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you had nothing, it would be worth trying, but your Uly has a perfectly fine, functional, properly engineered oil cooler.
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Lorazepam
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

add heat transfer paste

http://www.directron.com/type44.html
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the problem with this is a solution would be the chin spoiler. If you remove it, you would probably get some air moving over the fins. Where the oil filter is currently, there is a nice heat sink at merge of the header pipes inside the chin.

I think it gets some air, but I wouldn't think that there would be enough to make this worth the effort.
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Miamiuly
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 10:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree that it would have to fit snugly to work for heat transfer.

BUT what interests me is having the thick aluminum and fins covering the filter as rock protection, NOT the cooling.

I was just looking for ideas of why it might be a bad idea, like extra weight on the filter that could result in bad news when vibrated or something.

I'd rather have a C-shaped one that clips on and has a hose clamp rather than the tube or O-shaped one above.

I'd swear I've seen them made that way in the past but even JC Whitney doesn't seem to have any and that would be RIGHT up their alley.

I may buy one of these, cut it, easy off it to silver and give it a shot for extra filter protection.

I guess you could cut some alum, bend it, clamp it on and do it without the fins, that should still sink heat and protect.

Or a piece of coffee can or old license plate for the ultra low budget.



(Message edited by miamiuly on September 05, 2007)
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Cccpull
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How much is it? If it's not too expensive, try it. At the very least it'll provide some type of protection for the filter and if it also dissipates heat, then all the better.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From the picture posted, you can see the the inside of the aluminum heatsink isn't even touching the filter!
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Stevem123
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not only will it probably not do much but I doubt it will even fit the tight space where the filter is located.
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Jameslaugesen
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

what interests me is having the thick aluminum and fins covering the filter as rock protection, NOT the cooling.

Have you damaged an oil filter on the Uly yet?
I've been riding very rocky trails for a bit over a year now, including a few crashes and many many drops (to the point of denting my frame), and I've never had even a scuff on the oil filter.

The chin fairing, exhaust and shape of the engine & headers do a fine job of protecting it, in my opinion.

Also, there is not enough room on the engine-side of the oil filter for the fins. There'd be maybe 5-10mm of space using the genuine buell filter (which is slightly smaller than the generic ones I use).

I recon the coffee (or baked beans or whatever) can idead is the best. Measure the filter and rummage through your local supermarket isles until you find a can the right size : )

Maybe 'ricers' have been known to put soft drink cans over the starter motors on their japanese sportbikes.

But again, if it 'aint broke, don't fix it.
I remove my filter by punching a hole in it with a screwdriver and spinning it off. I really find it hard to beleive a rock could puncture through... without a big impact which will do more concerning damage to other parts of the bike.}
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you are looking for protection, I doubt it would do much. Unless you are talking about small rocks.

A large rock would take out the muffler, headers, chin spoiler and probably the front of the tranny case. It would also probably take out the rider. If something large did happen to hit the filter, this thing would transfer the shock directly to the filter and snap the outer case off the base plate.

Small rocks would do very little damage and would have a hard time getting to the filter anyway.

I think the ONLY potential advantage would be thermal, and that advantage would be slim to none and would require the removal of the chin spoiler at least.
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Chrisgrant
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 11:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've read about these things in the past and they are said to bring your oil temp. down a good bit, dunno. I've already considered one and I haven't even got my Uly yet. I figure that if it helps cool the oil, it will help cool the motor and less fan operation on the Uly.

I'd be curious to ride for a while without it, check oil temp., then install it and ride and check oil temp. again to see if it actually comes down. After all it is a heat disapater. As long as it makes good contact, it should work, at least a little. Makes since to me and it can't hurt anything.

(Message edited by chrisgrant on September 05, 2007)
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Miamiuly
Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 11:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

After I wrote all this, I started to think about how rare it would be to throw a pebble or rock through the filter.

I do see a lot of gravel though.

And no, never seen one punched through from debris myself.

I figure the c shaped one would work for interference, you could trim it to only have fins on area where there is room.

Think I'll not worry about it.
It was that tourtech guard that got me thinking about all this, but even it seems like it could use some mesh.

Thanks for the input everyone.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 12:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Much of the Touratech stuff looks good on paper, but the practical application leaves much to be desired.

The "adjustable" shift lever is a travesty. The handlebar bag is malformed and badly in need of modification.

The oil cooler "protector" is largely unnecessary.

Besides, all of it is mega spendy.
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Teeps
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 08:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Like many accessories, this one is clearly designed to sell. However, I suspect that function is optional.

Now if it was chromed...
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Bigdaddy
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 08:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Now if it was chromed..." and it came with some Nology wires,,,holy cow,,watch out ;)

JK,,,,,YMMV but your oil won't be any cooler.
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Miamiuly
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Everyone who commented on the cooling ability missed the point.

I never thought it would cool enough to matter, I was thinking protection for the filter from debris.

Using it for cooling was NEVER my intention.
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De50man
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What kind of "debris" are you talking about?

"Have you damaged an oil filter on the Uly yet? I've been riding very rocky trails for a bit over a year now, including a few crashes and many many drops (to the point of denting my frame), and I've never had even a scuff on the oil filter. "

"Also, there is not enough room on the engine-side of the oil filter for the fins. There'd be maybe 5-10mm of space using the genuine buell filter (which is slightly smaller than the generic ones I use)"

The point being, I also doubt that this thing would even fit on the Uly. And if some debris impacts with enough force to ruin your filter, you probably have bigger problems than just your oil filter.
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Miamiuly
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Agreed and I'm over the idea, was just brainstorming.
Sometimes it turns out to be more of a shower than a storm.
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Snowscum
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 08:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I could see the screws digging into the filter over time. If it had a different mounting scheme(hose clamp) it might be worth the protection.

Crap just reread your first post. You already mentioned the hose clamp. I can see this design tweaked where you turn the mounting scheme 90 degrees. It could double for a filter wrench.
Burn the flat on the ID so you won't crush as easy. Put in smaller fasteners so people can't over torque. Lol



(Message edited by snowscum on September 06, 2007)
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Ulyssesguy
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Better than this would be to upgrade to the new 08' Oil cooler... its got 2 more rows or sumthing like that...
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