| Author | Message | ||
     Scottykrein |
Sorry if this has been up before. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=629_1187712839 | ||
| Wile_ecoyote |
Dont need the vid, I saw it first hand at the WVSC ride this past weekend! LOL | ||
| Teeps |
I think the deer did that on purpose. Score: 9.5 | ||
| Midknyte |
 you boobs, that's a reindeer! | ||
| M2statz |
Heck, that is a daily occurance for anyone riding in Wisconsin. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"Heck, that is a daily occurance for anyone riding in Wisconsin." Geogia, too. The only saving grace is the deer are smaller around here, but they'll kill you just as dead. Years ago, I was riding dirtbikes in rural Georgia and saw a deer jump across the trail and kick-off the helmet of the rider in front of me. It knocked him off his bike and almost broke his neck. That was a rare occurence in the 70's, but it's a daily hazard everywhere now. Deer need to be commercially harvested until their population is in check. They are getting to be like vermin around here. | ||
| Thunderheart |
}Deer need to be commercially harvested until their population is in check. They are getting to be like vermin around here. I don't have much against hunting, and I probably will get bashed for saying this.. but... This take away because I need more space attitude is pathetic and is one of the biggest problems in our society today. "Let's tear down this plot of land that's been untouched for 100s of years and build some half ass apartments on the land, and overcharge people to live in them"... "I can't even go outside without seeing a deer, time to commercially harvest them!" "But people are dying because of so many running out in front of them" Ok, number one: Slow down. Two, wake the hell up. You'd be damn surprised to know how many of us are "asleep at the wheel". | ||
| Slaughter |
Bambi launcher http://youtube.com/watch?v=-3u8CH4vU4k | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Thunderheart, I understand your position, but deer are another matter. Previously, humans lived in smaller areas and wildlife lived in larger areas. Now, we liver in larger cities and the wildlife is largely relegated to the outskirts. Previously, humans hunted deer weekly to provide food keeping the numbers in check. Now, hunting is during a limited duration by a limited number of people limited to a certain number of deer per year. There is no reason for the number of deer to be at the same levels or HIGHER than they were during pre-colonial days. Humans are their ONLY predator. Bears, mountain lions, wolves, etc. are non-existent as a predatory force. Compound that with the fact that deer roam into major metropolitan areas regularly and you have a very real problem. It isn't about blasting Bambi so that I have a clear riding path. It's about keeping the deer in check so that they don't provide a danger to everyone. I live in a city of about 1M people. Riding in the SUBURBS, I can count 20-50 deer EVERY dusk. I don't ride at night because of the danger. There would be at least one deer strike a week on cars in high school. Deer numbers are not natural because the natural predators have been removed from the food chain. There are simply not enough hunters to keep them in check. If you don't believe that it's a problem here in TN, read our recently enacted law: TCA Section 70-4-115 allows that, except for non-game and federally protected wildlife species, wild game animals accidentally killed by a motor vehicle may be possessed for personal use and consumption. Basically, if you hit a deer with your car, you can keep it and eat it even out of season. If that doesn't tell you there is a problem, I don't know what will. | ||
| Thunderheart |
Saying the amount of deer wasn't a problem wasn't how I meant it.  With that said, I used to work at a printing packaging company on a mid 80s giant Heidelberg with a vast amount of local rednecks. 100% of them hunted for the shear point of having bigger balls and a hairier chest than the next guy. All of them have about .0009% amount of compassion in their fibers and THAT is the problem I speak of I suppose is how I should have put it. I'm no "tree hugger", but it's my stand point that most people will say things such as commercially harvesting deer because there are too many, without really considering the fact that living on this planet involves respecting the territory of nearly all animals and plant life. This could go on forever, but I'll just say I have a tad bit of beef with killing off animals that arent intentionally causing us harm (ie: predatory). Do I have a solution on hand? Nope. But possibly one reason there are more deer specifically is because the people hunting them while in season actually don't have the skill it takes because they happen to be hunting for the wrong reasons. ;) | ||
| Djkaplan |
"This take away because I need more space attitude is pathetic and is one of the biggest problems in our society today." I'm going to say up front that I don't want to get into a pissing match on the board (again), so please take that into consideration with your response to this post. The deer population in Georgia is going unchecked because of a decrease in number of registered hunters in the state. Bag limits haven't been increased, and there ARE NO NATURAL PREDATORS to keep the population down, so deer have increased their population to a point where their numbers can't be sustained by the foliage that grows in their NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. Consequently, they forage anywhere they can... on highway right-of-ways, urban areas, and even inner cities. The deer are getting smaller because of a LACK OF FOOD and they are starting to get DISEASES that happen because of OVERPOPULATION. Somehow, you took what I said and used to infer that it meant 'tear the forests down, build half ass apartments, and overcharge people to live on them'. Where in the world did you get that crap from? Explain that one to me. I'm not sure what the area in North Carolina you live in is like, but here in the flatlands of Georgia, the chances of striking a deer on the highway are astronomical and practically happen to me at least once a month, if not weekly. Do a little research on the problem before you get back with me. Maybe speak to the DNR in your state and talk to people who know the problem. I have a good friend who is in charge of wildlife management for Ft Benning in Georgia, the largest infantry training facility in the US. If you'd like, I can send you his e-mail and you can correspond with him directly. He has a doctorate degree and is working on a PhD and is pretty busy, but I'm sure after he sees this post, he'll have an earful for you. And how about sticking to what I posted and not what you made up in your head this time? | ||
| Djkaplan |
Sorry Thunderheart... I read your second post and realize now I don't want to correspond with you. You have some personal issue that needs to be resolved before you can discuss this subject with people that have a grasp of the problem. Thanks anyways... | ||
| Wile_ecoyote |
What was the name of that girl in Chicago again? | ||
| Djkaplan |
It's been slow at work, Wile. Can you tell? | ||
| Slaughter |
It was that fat chick in Minnesota... ... and I aint sayin' nuttin! | ||
| Greenlantern |
I am a "tree hugger" and I agree that deer (whitetail and mule variety) need to be "controlled" period. too many in too small a space! Yes people caused it, but live and let live is not always the answer considering that besides the impact (no pun intended) being discussed here there is also the devastation that the out of control population is having on the rest of the ecosystem. Some times the right thing to do is cruel and basically sucks , but there it is so deal with it. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I understand. I know the type of whom you speak. I used to work with a company whose owner was a big deer hunter. He had 35 stuffed dear heads on his large office walls. At what point have you proved incontrovertibly you can blast the hell out of a dumb animal from 1,000 yards? The problem I see is that just because something is alive and from nature, it doesn't mean it's "natural". The number of deer are too high for natural processes. The same issue comes with forestry management. If there is not an artificial grooming of forests and cutting of the floor clutter, nature equalizes the balance by clear cutting thousands of acres by fire. | ||
| Wile_ecoyote |
Fat people need lovin too. Maybe a touch more than others........ | ||
| Djkaplan |
"I am a 'tree hugger'..." So am I. It's heartbreaking to see a fawn with the wasting disease that afflicts the weakest in the population. Overcrowding has a huge impact on deer populations with no predators. There are just too many of them to spay and neuter, like they do in captive populations on small islands so their natural surroundings can sustain them. Culling the herd is lot more compassionate than watching them starve to death or waste away from diseases. I've seen it, it's horrible. | ||
| M2statz |
Lets not get into who has what kind of skill to do what. I hunt. I bow hunt also. I practice alot. It is not a skill issue or a testosterone issue. In parts of Wisconsin we have CWD(chronic wasting desease) the deer equalivant to Mad Cow desease. Caused by over population. The main crop in Wisconsin is corn. Deer love corn. Deer go into rut population grows. Nature happens. As fairly educated adult male I can see that living on this planet we must co-exsist with what has been here alot longer than we have. If that takes "harvesting" deer than deal with it. Working in the Healthcare area I see vehicle-vs-deer/animal almost every day. Its not always about day dreaming or sleeping at the wheel or handle bars, accidents happen. Happy Buelling Michael | ||
| Greenlantern |
Fat people need lovin too. Maybe a touch more than others........ So true.....I'm so lonely.....and the Trees I hug never say anything to me!  | ||
| M2statz |
GL you mean their HD's don't love them back? | ||
| Greenlantern |
I was watching the deer vid again and clicked one of the most popular links below it and whoa momma! enjoy.... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a71_1187386256 | ||
| Alchemy |
I have been hoping that the coyotes that seem to be springing back will start taking some of the fawns instead of living on petfood on the back porch of most suburban households. Is this possible or are not sufficient predators? | ||
| Djkaplan |
"...the coyotes that seem to be springing back will start taking some of the fawns instead of living on petfood on the back porch." Wile_ecoyote... just exactly where were you last night?  | ||
| Thunderheart |
Somehow, you took what I said and used to infer that it meant 'tear the forests down, build half ass apartments, and overcharge people to live on them'. Where in the world did you get that crap from? Explain that one to me. That's just an example, figured you could understand that. But, I don't really see how I would have personal "issues"... the examples I gave were facts... not opinions in the second post. Those were real people, with real egos. I think about 5 or 6 of those guys had either gotten close to shooting themselves or a fellow hunter or actually did within the 6 months I was there. You need to realize there are infact some serious imbiciles out there that DO NOT wish to lower the deer population for the right reasons. My opinion on the matter though, is that is VERY easy for people to jump on this bandwagon. So, wrong or right, I do assume most people are a bandwagon jumper when they make statements like yours on commercially harvesting deer. Please take in to consideration that this is an opinion, and that believe me or not, a good chunk of "hunters" don't give a hoot about lowering the population because of the dangers of the road and whatnot... it's mostly "hey I kilt mer deer than yew!". I DO NOT have "personal issues" that need to be dealt with. I have my opinions based off of what area I live in and the people around here. Deal with it. You have your opinions and that's 100% fine. Just because someone else has a different view than you on the subject usually get's folks like you into a piss match, not me. (Message edited by thunderheart on August 23, 2007) | ||
| Aesquire |
Note: avoid NC. I can't correspond with Justin either, I see. He's part owner of a company I am not allowed to say the name of, by Federal Law. Sorry. True, there are redneck a-hole hunters out there. If we are lucky, Darwin kicks in. I don't believe they are representative of the majority of hunters. I threw away my white bicycle helmet, despite it being cooler than black ( temp. speaking ) because only 2 things go 10 mph through the woods without engine noise, mountain bikes & deer. I have been shot at. Lucky for me the kind of bozo that shoots at a white butt flash ( they think ) is ( I pray ) a bad shot. I also no longer ride in the woods during shotgun season. Bow, blackpowder, and handgun hunters seem more sensible, at least around here. That said, without HUMAN, Rational attempted control over the ecological disasters we create, death toll of both human & deer will increase. I don't have the answers on this one, but please look up the mess that the Govt. has made in Yellowstone Park with well meaning, but stupid practices over the years. You'll be amazed. I strongly encourage folk to teach their young to hunt, responsibly, humanely, and respectfully. If you want to pray for the spirit of the animal you harvest, I'm good with that. Please get Bambi before I hit him with my Cyclone. Enjoy the Chili. I've hit several deer with cars over the years, & don't honestly think I could have avoided most of them. Dang things bounce out right in front of you. I run fog lamps set to illuminate the fields to either side on my minivan. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Didn't know this was going to get off on an environmental rant. Ultimately, humans are a factor of life on earth. In the end, if we need every square foot on the surface of the planet, we take it. We come first. That said, we have an obligation to manage natural resources responsibly. We can't turn back time. We can't uncrack the egg. We can't replace the natural predators whose territory has been permanently removed. We don't have leopards, or wolves, or sabre toothed tigers running around most of North America. WE are the only real predator for large game. We eat the cows, goats, sheep, etc. Unless WE kill them, the deer populations will run unchecked. These populations in most states are already far too large to maintain the health of the deer let alone keep them from being killed on the street (and possibly killing me). Keeping every single living thing alive is not proper stewardship of nature. Responsible management is. Cutting some trees is good for the rest of the forest. Cut too many, and you lose the forest. Cut none, and you lose the forest. ANWR is no different. I love these folks who talk about reducing the population of the planet below 3 billion people. They don't really ever explain how to make that happen globally. I guess I just never really thought of Hitler as an environmentalist.  | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Ever see what a full grown Moose does to a car/bike/truck......... Its not pretty. If there are too many then cull them. Over the past couple years we have had Coyotes introduced somehow to this island and the population is exploding. Its open season on those animals and they have NO NATURAL PREDATOR here to cull them. Other things we don't have are skunks, raccoons, snakes, and other types of similar animals. We have lots of MOOSE and here they can grow to about 1200lbs, once again introduced to the island about 100 years ago and they now number in the thousands. Don't get me going about the seals either.........damm fish eaters. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
My mom's cousin hit a bull at about 70. It's legs nearly snapped off as it rolled through the car compartment and killed him. |
