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Tibman260
Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If dreams could come true.......

What kind of technology would you want added to future Buell bikes?

EX: heads up display, ABS, Keyless Ignition

Start listing to your hearts content!
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Not_purple_s2
Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 05:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oooo, keyless ignition on a bike would be sweet.
I think I'll add that to my wish list.
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Ray_maines
Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've never understood why a motorcycle can't come in different sizes. In a dream world, Shaq and I wouldn't have to ride the same size frame to ride the same model / brand of bike.
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Towjam
Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If dreams could come true.......

A dealer network that gives a rat's ass and will provide the level of sales and service support the 1125 is worthy of.

Oh, and LED tailighting.
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Stealthfighter
Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 06:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

for the XB models a "thunderstorm evolution" twin with:

* short stroker (3.00 in/76.2 mm)
* modern cylinder head design with 4 valves
* central spark plugs
* cylinder heads with an oil jacket ("advanced oil cooling")
* higher compression ratio (11:1...)
* modern ECM/ECU,
* 2 broadband oxygen sensors
* 2 throttle bodies like XBRR
* modern 12-hole-injectors
* 6-speed-transmission (cassette design)
* Slipper Clutch
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M1combat
Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

HUD and keyless ignition would be pretty cool.
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M1combat
Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wouldn't mind a traction control/ABS system that can be turned on in the rain but I'd leave them off in the dry.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

750cc

(but I'm a racer so that's gonna sound weird to street dudes/dudettes)
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M1combat
Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It WOULD go like stink compared to an over sized SV wouldn't it : ).
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Danny_h__jesternut
Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 08:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My super brilliant ideas for future tech on tomorows bike are worth big $$$$. I shall not give them away freely on some internet chat room.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 08:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

M1 - it might just do really well in the 748/749 and SV650 classes of middleweight twins. Although I'd likely be racing the XB1169 against it... confusing myself here...

It'd open up many other classes of racing and make a cheaper to insure "milder" sportbike.

I have nothing against the SV650 - raced one for a few years - but think it'd be really cool to have a sleeved-down version - even though it'd be OVERBUILT with the lower output engine.

Just fantasizing here.

Also trying to figure out how to afford the 1125r without selling any of my existing fleet.

(Message edited by slaughter on July 30, 2007)
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Bigdaddy
Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 09:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Also trying to figure out how to afford the 1125r without selling any of my existing fleet."

A perplexing issue that's impacting many

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Diablobrian
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 12:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cassette transmission with different ratios available (close a wide)

I'd like to see an "alternative" front suspension, but only if it could be made to work. Ideally with identical shocks front
and rear with different mounting leverage or linkages on each end to cut cost and make repairs simpler.

A touring model! One that isn't as tall as the Uly. Think modern S3T kind of like Steve_Mackay's bike.

An ECM that is capable of having multiple curves in it, one for economy, one for performance, one for low traction
conditions...switchable on the fly. and while we're at it full-on traction control. Rider controlled of course.

A fire-blast (firebolt chassis w/blast motor) beginner's bike. Parts bin engineering to save costs. Maybe with less
adjustable suspension components to save a few more dollars? It could be a winner

A Lightning-Blast...Same concept as above, but with Lightning parts.

Heads-up displays would rock, but they would have to be retro-fittable and be installable into any helmet. Blue tooth
should make this a lot easier than it had been. The hud should toggle between screens via thumb controls.

Center stands on Ulys

SIngle sided swing arm. They are just plain sexy.

Massive growth in the sport bike market

Stand alone dealerships (I know, pie in the sky)

Integrated turn by turn gps and mp3 player (why not? memory is getting smaller and cheaper all the time)
with optional radar detector/jammer as options. All should tie into the above mentioned HUD.
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Coal400
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 08:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Strato9r
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would like to see a Lightning Long based bike, with a Uly tail section that you could hang bags off of. Get on it and ride it 2- up, anytime, just a lower, comfy, dare I say it.....Standard. Put a single headlight Blast flyscreen on it, Muscle Car paint job, (Think SS Chevelle), Magnesium tone spokes on polished rims, TT handlebars, and there ya go, all the parts are on the shelf, guys. Or, same package, but with that "Quiet Zone" fairing (complete with headlights) from the 1125R, there is the basis for a sport touring setup, but you all knew that..............
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Danny_h__jesternut
Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What if I wanted to paint a big darkie exiting a corner? With traction control how am I susposed to get the damb thing to spinn up? Please no traction control, I like depending on my right wrist. Wile I think of it, quit dumbing down the bikes, I want the full riding expearence. I want full control. F the computerization of bikes,simple machanacials please.
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Phatkidwit1eye
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 03:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A tube framed 1125R with the ZTL brake mounted on PM rims!
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Swordsman
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 on the Long w/ Uly tail. I'd prefer a Firebolt (or heck, why not a sweet 1125R?) front fairing over the Blast fairing.

Projector headlights for one and all XB models (that DON'T burst into flame, of course).

A rear cylinder plug that can be removed without a freakin' exorcism.

Stock sludge filter/catch can for crankcase breather hoses.

Self-regulating TPS, or at least some on-board tools to do it manually (perhaps an extra button on the dash w/ a digital readout?).

Redesigned handlebars that reduce vibration. Even with aftermarket mirrors and barend weights, I can't see crap and my hands go numb.

Simple stuff, really. I'm pretty happy with what they've accomplished already!

~SM



(Message edited by Swordsman on August 01, 2007)
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Diablobrian
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Strato9r: Note I said rider controlled switchable traction control.

I was thinking more for low traction like sand, gravel, oil, tar, or rain on the road. kind of like I find around here where
farm implements track lots of dirt into my favorite corners at random intervals. In such circumstances it would be nice to
have the traction control to prevent the "pucker factor" mid corner when you see that the farmer just graded his driveway
at the exit of the corner and you are leaned a good way over. Silly stuff I know, but Ideally it would be SWITCHABLE
so if you want to hang the rear end out on the exit you could simply turn it off.

You know that there is no shame in using the electronics. Even the top echelon pros are taking advantage of the latest
technological advances (like traction control and switchable maps). It has nothing at all to do with how good the rider is.
Name your favorite pro road racer in superbike or GP and check out what they race. I'll bet their bikes are "dumbed down".
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 11:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Swordsman - reading one of the dealer tech sheets for '08 Buells, the new ECM "eliminates the need for TPS resets".

There's one off the list : )
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Strato9r
Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2007 - 01:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey, Brian, that was Danny commenting on the traction control; personally, I dont think it's a bad idea, especially if it has some programming options. If (when) a sport touring bike is built, either on the air cooled platform or the 1125, customers are likely going to expect it, and ABS as well. As for the Sport/Standard I'd dream spec, sure, I think that traction control is a realistic feature on a lightweight machine with a lot of torque. It has been noted dozens of times throughout this website that a very small percentage of riders can really use the full potential of a modern sport oriented machine, Buell or otherwise. Technology to keep a machine upright when lack of rider skill or random chance prevails, (liquid manure that suddenly appears on the pavement just as the corner radius tightens up, for example) is something that would very likely save lives. If you want to lay that hazy black strip coming off the banking of your favorite offramp, just shut the traction control off. If they decided to put 3.813" inch barrels on the XBs, (come on, it would be FUN!), the amount that you might save on rear tires would likely cover the cost of a traction control option in short order!

The reason I'd put a single headlight Blast setup on a Sport/Standard is because I really like that look on the tube frame bikes; that front end profile screams "Buell" like a Model "A" grille screams "Hot Rod". That, and it's simple, and great replacement beams are available.

(BTW, Brian, cool fairing on your 9!)
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