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Mikef5000
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 01:01 am: | 
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Why are you still allowed to post on this site?
We have turned the simple question into Blablabla???
We'll just all reply like you next time:
This whole debate is stupid.
IF your son is not a babbling retard.
He WILL be fine.
(Message edited by mikef5000 on July 31, 2007) |
Ulywife
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 01:07 am: |
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Buelltroll - Enough! You've stated your opinion, now please move on. As for Dyna not being back on the thread, you don't know that. Plenty of people read threads but don't always post on them. Nonetheless, your sarcastic postings are not adding anything constructive to this discussion. |
Buelltroll
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 02:27 am: |
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and yet EVERYTHING I said is true.
He WILL be fine if hes not retarded and they ALWAYS turn simple questions in to preach fests.
I wash my hands of the whole stupid thing. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 06:51 am: |
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It is indeed strange that everyone that responded to your posts did so with more thought and supporting information
than your "If you don't agree with me you're stupid" attitude. Give it a rest.
Not too many years ago the GSXR1100 put down about the same HP as an XB12 does now and I don't think anyone
would have argued at the time that it is a GREAT beginner bike if you are not mentally handicapped.
So try to have a little more perspective than your "whole FIVE YEARS riding" grants you and try to understand just
how little real world experience that really is. I've been riding since I was 10 years old and at 37 I consider myself
a veteran, but by no means an expert rider. I still have some humility and understand that I still have more to learn.
Yes, we've all agreed that motorcycling is dangerous, so you can quit re-itterating that fact like it's something new.
There is far more to life and living it than t-shirt, or bumper sticker wisdom. The fact you think them profound
in some way is more telling than any commentary anyone else on this thread could make. |
Adrian_8
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 10:48 am: |
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One good suggestion about "learning" to ride a motorcycle is to buy a good instructional book..besides taking a MSF class. I have many miles on dirt bikes and WAS an AMA A class rider "Back in The Day"...riding dirt bikes helps the basic mechanics of clutch and brake but the turning technique on the street is much different.. Street=weight on the inside
dirt=weight on outside. Buy "Sport Riding Techniques" by Nick Ienatsch or "Total Control" by Lee Parks. These books will teach everyone something and it is the correct method...not misinformation by someone with "Good Intentions"... I know guys who have ridden 20+ years and do not know what really turns the motorcycle. You will read and reread these books and it will help your riding greatly, "and I don"t care who you are"; Larry the "Cable Guy". |
Macbuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:45 am: |
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I watched a newb with no experience ride his brand new, just purchased, bike into a stop sign right off the lot.
All I have to say is I started off on this old Yamaha 400 and moved up to an FZR 600 and finally to my Buell and I was very happy with the progression. I never once felt like I had more bike than I could handle and I learned a ton of little things along the way that have probably saved my life a few times over the years.
Everyone will do whatever they want to do but if it was my kid, I would start him out with something small and light and let him gain some valuable experience and then he can move onward and upward from there.
Saying "just do whatever because motorcycling is inherently dangerous" is not the best advice simply because most of those dangers can be mitigated or avoiding through intelligence, preparation and experience. Just do whatever does not lend any credence to those simple truths. |
Chit
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 01:10 pm: |
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xb12r = my first bike in 12 years... last bike was an old 50cc something when i was 10. Darwinism applies to all things, and if your dumb with it, yes it will kill you, but no faster than that 125cc dirt bike would... or that 4 door civic... if you mistreat/show disrespect towards anything really... you do kinda get whats coming to you, again like i said it makes no real diff; talking about a 1200cc motorcycle, a chain saw, a toaster oven, a spoon if used improperly can/will kill you. |
Alchemy
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 02:17 pm: |
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Many years ago (35+) I started learning on a 100cc bike and moved to a 180cc and then a 350cc bike at about 36 hp (maybe). I considered myself a pretty good rider and even won a few motorcycle drag races.
Then over a 2 month period far from home I temporarily got a 125cc for basic transportation. Funny thing was that I learned so much more playing around on the 125cc bike once I was fully confident with my skills. I was amazed at how poorly I really was on the 350. I was a much better (my opinion only) rider on the 350 as a result of the brief time on th 125.
Maybe that is just me but I found it very helpful to hone my skills on a much lighter and less expensive bike where I was approach the edge of my skill zone more comfortably. I am continually amazed at how beneficial "practice" is to mastering a skill. |
Chit
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 02:28 pm: |
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/signed
I agree 100% with alchemy, but IMO, a 20 year old kid riding a 125 (hell a 350) won't last long as we are stupid and full of that damn testosterone, we need to go fast, fast. so no is it the BEST choice to start him with a 500/900/1200... no, but he'll use it longer assuming he actually learns how to use it instead of just trying to learn to wheelie.
safest thing is spend the $ and get a smaller bike and make him ride that till he cant learn any more and then allow for the 1125r he'll appreciate it more. |
M2nc
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 06:25 pm: |
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I'd say the Ninja 250, Blast or some 125-250 Dual Sport. I like all three and have though about getting one as a commuter and as a trainer for my kids as they near 16yo. The Firebolt to me has a lot of torque that can get you out of shape quickly. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 06:27 pm: |
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Adrian_8: I could not agree more on Total Control by Lee Parks.
That is probably the BEST practical guide to street riding skills in print.
I got to meet him in San Diego, and had him autograph my well thumbed copy and tell him so. He's a good guy. |
Strato9r
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 01:27 am: |
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Another vote here for Lee Parks' book. Best I've read, for sure. |
Svo1023
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 07:08 am: |
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Get the 9r...why would you not put a new rider on probably the easiest, most forgiving sportbike out there? Plus he will be on something cool...that doesn't have gobs of power...good place to start i'd say....and i just happen to have one for sale....got a ninja 650r too....but iwould stick with the buell....but hey i'm biased...
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Xb9rnutt
| | Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 12:53 pm: |
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It cracks me up every time I hear that the 9 or 12 are too much for a first bike. If you’re afraid of it then don’t ride it! Understand the power of it and enjoy it!
I think everyone has some good points in the previous posts. Opinions come from what we each have seen and understand. We shouldn’t instill are fears onto one another. If someone fells they can handle an XB12 then don’t try and make them scarred because you are. Same thing goes for making someone ride something they are totally scarred of. Each of are different. In this case we don’t know if this guy’s son has a history of spending or reckless driving. If he did then I would say don’t let him ride at all. The main thing is what someone’s history is. If you’re the kind of person that takes awhile to grasp things then please buy a (125, 500) and stay off the main roads. If you have some common sense and the ability to learn and admit you still need to learn then buy a bigger bike. Because not every one has 2000 for a first bike 4000 for a second, and then try and come up with another 8000 for your third bike. All the while the small bikes collect dust because know one wants them.
Buy big and drive with common sense. Or waste money on one bike after another. |
Spike
| | Posted on Friday, October 26, 2007 - 04:08 pm: |
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quote:It cracks me up every time I hear that the 9 or 12 are too much for a first bike. If you’re afraid of it then don’t ride it! Understand the power of it and enjoy it!
Just out of curiosity, if you knew someone who wanted to become a fighter pilot, would you encourage them to start with an F-18 and not to be afraid of the power, or would you encourage them to start with a single-engine plane and learn the basics of flying before stepping up? |
Xb9rnutt
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 02:59 pm: |
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Is that the best you got? First off comparing a flying a jet or any plane for that matter to riding an XB9 or even XB12 is the most idiotic thing to I have ever read.
That’s why I said that it depends on someone’s past. Take me for instances I drove three wheelers, rode horses, drove tractors, drove bobcats, and four wheelers. All before I ever bought or rode a motorcycle. What I’m trying to say is that because I have learned how to take time and respect each of the above I have never had a problem. And yes they all helped me before I ever twisted my first throttle.
And when I started riding horses I didn’t start with a pony and work my way up. I started with a freaking horse.
Now if in your past the only claims to fame you have is pedaling a bike then yes start on something that won’t get away with you to easy. And I think that an XB9 or 12 will do just fine. You can think otherwise and that’s great but that’s why this is my opinion. |
Spike
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 03:39 pm: |
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quote:Is that the best you got? First off comparing a flying a jet or any plane for that matter to riding an XB9 or even XB12 is the most idiotic thing to I have ever read.
The illustration is that some activities require progression in learning how to do them, not that riding a motorcycle is the same as piloting a jet.
quote: That’s why I said that it depends on someone’s past. Take me for instances I drove three wheelers, rode horses, drove tractors, drove bobcats, and four wheelers. All before I ever bought or rode a motorcycle. What I’m trying to say is that because I have learned how to take time and respect each of the above I have never had a problem. And yes they all helped me before I ever twisted my first throttle.
With regard to their past, you said they needed a clean driving record and needed to be a quick learner. You said nothing about the vehicles they had operated previously. Now you are saying you learned to ride many vehicles before you moved to motorcycles and that experience helped you, and that a person with minimal experience should start on something that won't get away from them. |
Xb9rnutt
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 05:35 pm: |
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"In this case we don’t know if this guy’s son has a history of spending or reckless driving"
What that was referring to is the state of mind a person. Have you ever known a reckless driver to careful while driving? Probably not which means that person may just get on and flip the dang bike.
The bottom line is if you feel that you can handle the machine and take your time and learn how it works you will be FINE. I'm not trying to start an argument just giving my two cents ok one cent.lol |
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