| Author | Message | ||
     Buellshyter |
The Vr1000 is too heavy as stated over and over again. There is a company however who has created a superbike with that engine. Sells for around 30 grand though. The motor for the VR1000 is not the same as the V-Rod, to which I believe you are referring. | ||
| Blublak |
If memory serves.. Didn't EB start work on a VR1000 derived street motor? Prior to the boys from H-D coming over and thinking it was a really neat idea and taking it to create the V-Rod motor. Once that was done, they offered it back to Buell who looked it over and knew it was way too heavy for their use.. However.. It's a possibility that 'The Elves' have dusted off their original design ideas and are once again working it.. Something between the 'RR' motor and a new version of the 'VR' plant. Then again.. Maybe not.. Dang.. When's the announcement again? | ||
| Court |
Maybe not.. wouldn't you like to know what happened with that?  | ||
| Reepicheep |
I know exactly what happened with the VRod motor, I saw the special on the history channel!  I'm still waiting for the 60 minutes version of that special though...} | ||
| Anonymous |
Ah yes, the real 60 Minute VRod motor story. Actually, since Erik was a fundamental contributor to the design of the original VR1000 race motor as well, using it might interest him. But wait, that was in 1987, and this is 20 years later, so would he really want that motor now? | ||
| Court |
I suspect the motor would be as relevant as the SGI machine Erik was working on . . I can't help but laugh each time I watch the "Birth of a VROD" . . . | ||
| Js_buell |
See I think like some of you guys, I want a Buell because of the character of the motor mostly. I was looking at a superduke and believe me this thing got brutal power but the motor character wasn't there so I'm back looking for a Buell. So what ever happened I hope the next motor will still have the same character if not then I'll look somewhere else probably. | ||
| Thepup |
"Ah yes, the real 60 Minute VRod motor story. Actually, since Erik was a fundamental contributor to the design of the original VR1000 race motor as well, using it might interest him. But wait, that was in 1987, and this is 20 years later, so would he really want that motor now?" I see your point,except the current engine is based on a 50 year old design. | ||
| Reepicheep |
In 1987 I was 20 years old, 6'2", and 215 pounds. I wouldn't mind going back to *my* motor from 1987 (then again, maybe not. Being young was an awful lot of work). | ||
| Buellshyter |
I suspect the motor would be as relevant as the SGI machine Erik was working on Is it any less relevant then the one that is currently being used? I think not. But wait, that was in 1987, and this is 20 years later, so would he really want that motor now? I dunno, it depends. Is Buell ready to step-up and invest in a totally new motor? At least the VR motor is sitting on a shelf somewhere at HD. It's water-cooled and the basic design is paid for along with the tooling. Personally, I don't want to see a Rotax motor made in Austria in my street Buell. Make the rest of the bike somewhere else all day long but don't give me someone else's motor. Look, it was made mention to me by someone about the VR motor and after giving it some thought it makes sense from an economic standpoint if for no other reason. That's not to say that using a detuned RR motor or a Rotax doesn't make sense. It's just food for thought. I enjoy the speculation and anticipation this time of year brings. | ||
| M1combat |
Does another manufacturer have anything akin to a sporty but with 140HP stock? HD could sell that bike.... Maybe they'll invest in this one and not steal it like they did the V-Rod engine. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Does another manufacturer have anything akin to a sporty but with 140HP stock? If Ducati can't build it for the street, Harley sure ain't gonna. Ducati is building the fastest MotoGP bike, beating Honda and Yamaha. I'm very confident that Harley will not top Ducati's air-cooled performance. The XBRR is not a street bike, does not make emissions, does not make sound requirements, and uses expensive materials. That ain't no street bike. | ||
| Skully |
Scott - You don't think that with a street going muffler (though I was at Texas World Speedway a year ago February when the Buell teams were testing the and I can tell you that the XBRR is quiet!), an O2 sensor, and the proper fuel map, that the XBRR motor could meet current emissions? | ||
| Court |
Where the hell is Wille G and his Team at PDC who "created" the VROD when we need them . . . are they eating that modeling clay again? | ||
| Blake |
"I'm very confident that Harley will not top Ducati's air-cooled performance." Uh... they have, they do and they will again. | ||
| Cgocifer |
Yes, I stand corrected. I was talking about the VRod engine, not the VR1000. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Till someone puts eyes on the testing ground and gets some decent spy fotos, we are all tortured with artist conceptions that are photo shopped hack jobs of foreign rides. There is room in the garage, ... it might be the new Buell Dirt bike... or it might be that new XR1200 Sporty, but one of those has to be available before the new bike bug leads me to a fat bigger bagger bike from the other side of the store. | ||
| M1combat |
Uhhh..... The XBRR runs roughly 157HP and is VERY quiet compared to the other FX race bikes. Tune it down to 140 and add whatever you need to make noise emissions and you can put the engine in a sporty as well. That was my point.... Oh and... Buell hasn't topped Ducati's air cooled performance? What planet are you on? No wonder you don't believe Buell will ever top anyones water cooled performance ... | ||
| Spatten1 |
The figures I've seen for Ducati's DS 1000cc engine are a few hp higher than the XB9, which is about 1000cc. They are close, let's call them even for argument's sake. http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/performancedata/ How are you going to suddenly increase HP by 50% on the XB12 with a couple hundred CCs and still make emissions and sound regs, not to mention reliability? That would put Harley far beyond anyone elses engineering expertise, and I don't buy it. M1, sound regs are so tough to make that manufactures change tranny gear types to make less noise and focus on intake baffling. Because it is quieter than other racebikes does mean it is close to EPA compliant. | ||
| Rd3501 |
with more rpm. buells could go up to 8800rpm limit on the 9, and 7800rpm on the 12. That would get some more power out of them.. | ||
| New12r |
I see your point,except the current engine is based on a 50 year old design. So are you saying that a dual overhead cam inline four is new??? So far the only "NEW" engine I have seen is the MotoCyz(sp). To everyone who argues that our motor is old they might want to look around a little more, like at vintage racing cars and bikes. Oh, and I hope the new Buell has a 1500cc W12 with so much HP it is completely useless on the street other than 200mph runs down the freeway passin busa's on the back tire!  | ||
| Cycleaddict |
what(streetbike) air cooled motor has HARLEY produced that tops (out performs ) ducati's air cooled motors ? for the life of me i can't recall . the BUELL xbrr comes to mind but,that's a "rulebook-racer". | ||
| Jaimec |
In backing up Cycleaddict's question, let's compare apples-to-apples. In other words, don't compare the 1203cc XB motor to a 600cc Monster and say the XB motor beats the Ducati motor in this case. Compare the 984cc (closest to a liter) XB to the 1000cc air-cooled L-twin. That's a better match up. | ||
| Court |
I take it from the responses . . . that someone actually cares about this? I'm trying to imagine the most remote scenario where it may effect any portion of my life? | ||
| Spatten1 |
Compare the 984cc (closest to a liter) XB to the 1000cc air-cooled L-twin. That's a better match up. Agreed: http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/performancedata/ | ||
| Ridrx |
Just a few more weeks. | ||
| Midknyte |
then we can hit the reset button... | ||
| Skully |
I see your point,except the current engine is based on a 50 year old design. So are you saying that a dual overhead cam inline four is new??? Agreed. Water cooling in MOTORCYCLES is over 100 years old. | ||
| Spike |
Please don't tell me we have to go through the displacement argument again . . .  Ducati does not produce an air-cooled v-twin that outpowers an XB12 by any significant margin. | ||
| Court |
There. . . that oughta shut'em up. As if. . .. |
