| Author | Message | ||
     Tbowdre |
anyone runnin wix, fram, bosch, mobil 1? thoughts? | ||
| Fx1200 |
I am running Bosch 3311 oil filter on my '06 XB Lightning. About $4.50 at Auto Zone. 12,000 miles ridden since 12/05; oil/filter change every 2000 miles, no problems. Buell dealers are scarce. Auto Zone, Kragen, Pep Boys are everywhere! | ||
| Holling |
I have been running Fram for 10K miles. Buy at local parts store for $3. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
This ground has been plowed once or twice before, shall we say?  Here is a list of compatible filters: Wal-Mart Super Tech = ST4967 Fram = PH4967 AC = PF1233 Motorcraft = FL836 STP = S4967 k&n/ hp-1003 wix/ 51394 bosch/ 3311 purolator/L14476 hd/63806-004 acdelco/pf1233 napa/1394 The Buell filter is made by Champion, an excellent filter, and exactly the same as the one Champion supplies to Wal Mart as the Super Tech 4967. Cost about two bucks at Wally World. Also a good place to buy Mobil One. There are many on line filter tests, and many different opinions about which is best. Generally Fram is listed at the bottom, with K+N, Champion, Purolator Pure One, and Mobil 1 getting top marks, if I remember correctly. | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
Wix, bosch and K&N is my choices. A brief story....A buddy and I were screwing around in the garage and started tearing apart the various used oil filters I had laying around apart. After seeing the guts of the filters I will never ever run another fram product in any vehicle I own.....very cheap. I kept blowing the orings that seperate the incoming and out going oil...... above all the filter media was not that dirty. That was on my Jeep.....so take it as you wish. Wix and bosch then K&N are what I use..... But a quality filter does not make up for frequent scheduled changes......I change my oil every thousand and filter every two thousand. Cheap insurance in my book. | ||
| Xb12rdude |
Scott's,never need to buy another.....plus I think it looks cool with billet alum. and all. The pic is kinda blurry though.  | ||
| Percyco |
Everything you wanted to know about motorcycle filters.  http://www.tobycreek.org/oil_filters/index.shtml I think they found that Fram is the biggest piece of crap on the planet ! | ||
| Tbowdre |
thanks for the posts... guess i was wondering if any of these...umm slow the flow so to speak... no coments regarding mobil 1 | ||
| Pwnzor |
Todd have you been to American Sport Bike yet? You're too close, no excuses! Al and Joanne are a Bueller's best friends! They're off the 78, Sycamore exit. | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
xb12....that filter looks great and if I remember the stats on it it is supposed to filter smaller particals than paper....... Is it PITA to clean as several other have said? | ||
| Xb12rdude |
No prob to clean, dish soap and water. I've got lots of props on, basically because the oil filter is so visible on Buells. I also wondered if it doesn't help a little with oil cooling with the fin design and all. I highly recommend it. I won this one on Ebay new for $69, but I think they are normally around $110. | ||
| Tbowdre |
pwnzor... I was there today! I love American Sport Bike!they rock! set my whole bike up, micron, open air box, catch can, everything! the bike is freakin awesome. many many thanks to al and joanne | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Dan, The Scott is a great looking oil filter, for sure. It has just one little problem: it does NOT filter oil very well. Here is a description of the problem by Toby Creek, mentioned above, who did an exhaustive oil filter study. "Here's a new type of filter being marketed, the "laser cut stainless steel filter," which we're told is "good for the life of your vehicle." These filters typically have 35-40 micron holes, which is really not acceptable. They typically have 30-40 square inches of filter material, which is really not acceptable. A paper based element is a 3 dimensional filter - when a particle gets stuck deep in the filter element, oil can still flow around it. The stainless steel elements are 2 dimensional - when a particle gets caught, one of the holes is clogged up. I don't see how you can assure that all the holes get cleared out when you clean these. Certainly simply soaking the filter in kerosene is not going to release particles that have been jammed into a hole at 60psi. Blowing the filter out with air sounds good, but a motorcycle filter is too small to let an air hose inside. These stainless steel filters cost about $120, about 25 times what I pay for a Pure One. Since I use my filters for about 8,000 miles, that means I have to go 200,000 miles to break even. I've never put more than 60,000 miles on a vehicle. I don't think this technology is ready to use yet. When the holes get down to 20 microns, and the surface area up to about 100-150 square inches, then I think I'll consider using one. Meanwhile, "good for the life of your vehicle" is not an impressive claim if the device shortens the life of your vehicle." If you want to obtain the billet look that you have on your machine, you might be able to find an aluminum slip on cuff that has the same look, claims to improve cooling, ( doubtful), and allows you to use a good filter. Now that you have me thinking, I might just get out a rattle can of silver, magnesium to match the motor, or orange or something and paint the Walmat filter before installing it. Paint job only has to last for a couple of months, and if I don't like the look, I can switch it out at any time. (Message edited by gentleman_jon on September 03, 2006) | ||
| Sokota |
Scott filters work. 35 microns absolute single pass test , K&N oil filters 65 microns absolute , call their tech dept. very forthwright with info. Scotts filter = No resistance to oil pump gears , instant oil pressure all tempatures. They are EASY to clean and blow air thru , I inspect with a jewelers magnifying face shield ,just because I happen to have one. 3000 mile cleaning there is minimal restriction taking place. Costs!? Ime not to concerned with long term cost analasis with the Buell ,its a hobby....but I will not grab my ankles and pay HDs price on on SYN 3 ,AMSOIL all the way anyway. | ||
| Xb12rdude |
Yep, I've seen that "article" of some guys opinion of a Scott's also. Well, my buddy had a Scott's on his R1 for 28K miles and it still runs like new. 35 microns is 35 microns, don't care how ya cut it. crappy filters are about 5 times that, so I feel pretty safe with it. Remember, if you pull a hair off your head and cut-it down the middle (cross section of diameter) about 75 times, then it's a micron. (Message edited by xb12rdude on September 03, 2006) | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
 scotts here also! keep in mind that the info out is by some guy that is NOT a filter expert and on the INTERNET. nor am I an expert so take this for what it is worth. i would like to see an independent test done. By experts. not some guy in his basement cutting filters apart. | ||
| Starter |
Nah, I'll start using stainless filters when they start recommending them for heavy machinery in mining applications and long haul highway trucks etc. Any engine that is good for an equivalent 2 Million miles at high throttle settings and ridiculously long service intervals using paper filters is good for me. | ||
| Xb12rdude |
keep in mind that the info out is by some guy that is NOT a filter expert and on the INTERNET. even worse, if you read his writing. He didn't even test the Scott's. It' only his thoughts. His main concern was how to clean the screen after 8K miles on a car an that you couldn't get an air nozzle in to blow the mesh screen clean. Well, I change my oil every 1K on my MOTORCYCLE and my air nozzle fits in the screen perfect, mixed with some kerosene and it's clean as can be. Anywho, that's my 2 cent's.} | ||
| Typeone |
Since when has Scotts produced a product that was inferior to its competitors? And, um, how many Baja wins do they have under their belts while using their products? This conversation reminds me of when the Micron headers and pipe were first posted on this site  everyone called 'em crap. Funny to think, hmm.. . but back to the SS filter... I want one for the reusable factor of course but even more so for the flow rate. Most common Stainless Steel Oil Filter questions. A word from Scotts Performance 1. Has this technology been proven yet? This technology has been in use for many years and has proven itself in NASCAR, Formula One and the Aerospace industry. These filters have been in use in the off road motorcycle world for over 5 years. Manufacturers like Yamaha have supplied their own version of it. The KTM factory guys have even been buying them for their own bikes (even though they can’t legally endorse the product). In other words this is not a new idea, just a new application of proven technology. And of course, we run these filters on our personal bikes, street and dirt. 2. What kind of materials are used in this filter? The filter housing and filter element end caps are carved out of a solid chunk of 6061T6 billet aluminum, which not only looks trick but aids in dissipating heat. The filter element is made from laser cut, medical grade, type 304 stainless steel micronic filter cloth to provide unmatched protection against oil contamination and resultant engine damage. A super strength nickel-plated neodymium rare earth magnet is installed in the top of the element for magnetic pre-filtering of the oil. The adhesive used in the filter assembly process is good to 600 degrees Fahrenheit, far above the normal operating temperature of 180 to 230 degrees. The quad-ring gasket doubles the seal between the filter housing and the engine. 3. How does the actual filtering process work? Our spin on units feature Magnetic Pre-filtering as the oil passes by the magnet prior to flowing into the filter. The stainless steel filter cloth then filters the oil to an “absolute” 35 microns. 4. How does this type of filtration compare to paper filters? We sent three common brands of paper filter material off to have them tested for the smallest and largest sized particles that would pass through the material. We sent the material off with no names, just numbers for identification so the lab wouldn’t have any idea who’s filter they were testing. The results we got back showed that the smallest particle the three would catch ranged between 9 and 20 microns. The LARGEST particle the three would allow to pass through the material ranged from 56 to 300+ microns. Paper filters are rated on an average of what they will let pass, so each of these three would each be rated at numbers that are somewhere between their individual extremes. The medical grade stainless steel cloth that we use is rated at an absolute 35 microns, meaning nothing larger than 35 microns should pass through the material. This “absolute” rating is important because this type of filter material is also used in medical applications like blood filtration. Bottom line is paper is rated differently than the stainless cloth (average vs. absolute), and either one works to filter stuff out of your oil. Personally I like the idea of keeping the big stuff out of the engine. 5. What Are Microns? A micron is one thousandth of a millimeter. That’s approx. .00003937 inches. 35 microns is about .00138“, (just over one-thousandth of an inch). The lower limit of visibity to the human eye is about 40 microns. Pollens range from about 30 to 50 microns. A white blood cell is about 25 microns. 6. How much oil will this filter flow? A very important dimension of oil filters to keep in mind is the flow rate. A one inch square of our filter material flows 1.9 gallons of oil per minute at only 1 PSI pump pressure (70 degrees F). This means our S1 filter is rated at 57 gals/minute! 7. How does the flow rate compare to paper filters? We have run static pressure tests between our filters and paper filters (for an identical application). The stainless steel micronic filter flowed a consistent 7.8 times more oil for the same time period than did the paper filter (tests were run at 68 degree ambient temperature). Think about your bike during cold startup… nice thick cold oil, trying to get through that oil filter. We have read tests that reported multiple instances of oil going through the bypass valve during cold startup because of the resistance of the paper oil filter to passing the cold oil. Now think about all the crud that has had a chance to settle to the bottom of the oil pan right where the oil pickup is…. just waiting to go through the bypass valve directly to the engine components! If the oil doesn’t get to go through the filter material it doesn’t matter what the micron rating is. Another thing that could affect the paper filter is moisture. When paper gets wet it swells and may pass even less oil. Not everyone is aware that engines get condensation in them. 8. Why the “take apart” design? Racers and motorheads have been taking their oil filters apart for ages. Our filter makes it much easier than cutting apart messy paper filters. It is a great way to get early signs of what is happening in the engine. By checking the particles that get caught in the filter you can identify abnormal wear and prevent catastrophic engine failure. It’s a lot less aggravating to replace a rod bearing that’s starting to go, than to be standing next to your machine staring at that same rod sticking out the side of the engine! More info here: http://www.scottsperformance.com/faq.php EDIT: from another review... "A micron is one thousandth of a millimeter, or approximately .00003973 inches. The Scotts reusable filter filters to 35 microns absolute. This means no particle larger than 35 microns can pass through this filter cloth anywhere, period! To put it into perspective: Clay - 39 microns Silt - 39-125 microns Sand - 100-124 microns Human Hair - 75-140 microns Very fine sand - 62.5-125 microns" (Message edited by typeone on September 05, 2006) |
