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M1combat
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 07:59 pm: | 
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Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades Pup...
You really think that some of them didn't have a mapped ECM with and exhaust and some intake mods and maybe some reduction in weight? Maybe a little bit of suspension work? Come on man... stock is stock... I saw no mirrors.
You're digging way too hard and coming up with nothing... It's pretty pathetic IMO. Telling... but pathetic. |
Imonabuss
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 09:04 pm: |
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Trojan,
Maybe it's time you left the Buell business. You spend so much of your time posting negatives against Buell it's unbelievable. I would never buy from you, even if the dollar were strong, because I don't appreciate your holier than though attitude.
You blab about things you know nothing about. Ed Key's motorcycle is a wildly exotic bike with tens of thousands of dollars worth of parts in it, very large displacment, and untold hours of massaging by a dedicated engineer and his friends. Ed is an electrical engineer by training, and amazingly his bike that measures 73 HP is able to pull over 160 MPH.
Now if you were an engineer with motorsports training, you would be able to work out that this bike would have to have the most astounding CdA ever recorded in the history of motorcycling, and balance that against whether or not an electrical engineer could make a switchable variable ECU map that reads differently on the dyno than on the track.
And Thepup, you are a nitwit if you think any of the bikes that made the Superbike grid is anywhere close to stock. Don;t you know about the qualifying percentage rule? Don't you know that works superbikes are making 240RWHP. And you think an average rider could qualify within the qualifying window on a bike with 80 less horsepower? Actually from reading your posts it's obvious you are a nitwit, and I'll bet even being a nitwit you still know you are talking out of your nether regions. Which really shows the stupidity of your statement.
Man, racing really brings out the most idiotic statements. As a retired AMA Expert roadracer, I am pretty qualified to identify them. You guys win today's competition. |
Thepup
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 09:12 pm: |
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M1,if anything,you are pathetic,you have lost every argument you try with me.Remeber the torque challenge,how about you great knowledge of FX 600 bikes.Tell me any racing bike that keeps the mirrors.Intake mods are not permitted.M1,you get your ass handed to you every time you try to argue,please stop.A stock jap.liter bike has more HP and a higher top speed than the XBRR,pretty much tells most people it is faster. |
Thepup
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 09:18 pm: |
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Imonabuss,are you saying every bike in Superbike has the works done to it,I doubt it.
As for your comments about Trojan,I would buy from him before most others,because f this little thing called honesty.When did you race a Buell,Matt does,wonder who has more credebility,Trojan or the guys that come on here claiming that the forks on the FX 600's cost more than the XBRR only to come out later when some Buell racers are using a different front end than the ZTL2,that the forks only cost $10000.Don't you guys have a circle jerk to attend? |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 09:25 pm: |
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"A stock jap.liter bike has more HP and a higher top speed than the XBRR,pretty much tells most people it is faster."
You know this, how? Answer: You don't.
The XBRR is using the same top-end forks that the factory FX teams are using? News to me. |
Imonabuss
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 09:25 pm: |
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Nope, we have a total jerk to attend to. You. |
Thepup
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 09:34 pm: |
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"The XBRR is using the same top-end forks that the factory FX teams are using? News to me."
It is?
Anony
"Dark and Thanse,
The dual discs are on the bike because they bought one of the $10,000 Ohlins front ends that Honda and Yamaha are using, and it's the only way it comes at the moment. There was great concern about the roughness and general condition of Mid Ohio, so they spent the money. Remember Jeremy ran the ZTL to a higher position finish at Laguna, and Crevier himself was up to 7th at Road America with the ZTL on a track that is MUCH worse on brakes than Mid Ohio. So, once again, I think the results tell it like it is. So don't buy into the Trojan horse, guys!"
Blake
"Puppy boy,
Interesting logic. You figure the XBRR's OEM Ohlins forks cost nothing? If Buell were to upgrade the XBRR to a $10K set of Ohlin forks the price would increase, but not by $10K. "
seems like you have been involved with the fork conversation before,of course you forgot. |
Thepup
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 09:37 pm: |
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"Nope, we have a total jerk to attend to. You."
Before calling anyone a jerk,you may want to look in the mirror.I'm sure all your circle jerk buddies will make you feel better. |
Eexb
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 09:38 pm: |
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Imonabuss,
"racing really brings out the most idiotic statements. As a retired AMA Expert roadracer, I am pretty qualified to identify them."
Thepup has already admitted elsewhere on this board that he "doesn't pay much attention to racing" !!!
Yet he continues to poke and prod at the XBRR like he's an AMA expert - only problem is, a casual observer can quickly surmise that he's full of BS, and has no "comebacks" but to name call and spread mindless swill wherever he can.
My guess is he's got a LOT more knowledge of "circle jerks" than of any road racing competition(s).
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Jima4media
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 09:40 pm: |
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Blake,
You are right again. I didn't convert the 56 minutes to seconds before dividing by 100 seconds.
Jim |
Thepup
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 09:46 pm: |
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Eexb,it doesn't take much to be able to read the AMA rules,sorry you only believe what you read on BadWeb.Every time you try to get into an adult argument you sound like a little girl.I believe once again,it was the people that can't seem to win an argument that started the name calling.this is a family oriented site so i won't tell you what i think of you. |
Jscott
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 09:54 pm: |
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To quote a wise man from the "other" Vrod racer thread...
"...it's a shame that every "hey look at this bike" thread becomes a pissing contest between the Kool-Aids and the Glass Half-Empty types."
Civility |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 11:06 pm: |
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I know the forks on the Crevier's XBRR reportedly cost $10K. I don't know what the super-fancy forks on the Japanese Factory FX machines cost. Not sure they are the off the shelf variety that you imagine. That one point, even if mispoken previously is not important nor of much consequence considering the estimated $.3MILLION that the factory Japanese FX machines cost and that they are in no way available to any privateer, let alone 50 of them for just $30K each.
"M1,if anything,you are pathetic"
"you get your ass handed to you every time you try to argue"
"Don't you guys have a circle jerk to attend?"
"I'm sure all your circle jerk buddies will make you feel better."
"Every time you try to get into an adult argument you sound like a little girl."
I think this discussion is about over.  Your agenda here is crystal clear to me; it has been for some time now. Your ignorance displayed here is not the problem, peope are allowed to be ignorant on BadWeB, just not instigators of consternation and ill-will who unceasingly take every opportunity to naysay and put-down. It gets awfully old awfully quickly. Enough. |
Eexb
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 11:25 pm: |
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"Every time you try to get into an adult argument you sound like a little girl.I believe once again,it was the people that can't seem to win an argument that started the name calling"
No puppy, you are the simpering, sniveling, name calling little pansy. Everyone sees it, everyone knows it.
Your lack of knowledge, your attacks, your ignorance and your constant name calling not only ruin every thread you participate in, but they also illustrate your colossal buffoonery.
I say we put you to a vote - maybe it's time you left ???
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Jscott
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 11:39 pm: |
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"I say we put you to a vote ..."
I promised myself to refrain from voting on the BadWeb.
Live and let live.
(Message edited by JScott on August 17, 2006) |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 11:47 pm: |
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Eexb,
Responding in kind doesn't make for a very compelling case.  That's not to say I don't agree with you though. |
Trojan
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 06:05 am: |
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Trojan,
Maybe it's time you left the Buell business. You spend so much of your time posting negatives against Buell it's unbelievable. I would never buy from you, even if the dollar were strong, because I don't appreciate your holier than though attitude.
Imonabus,
What is holier than thou about my attitude? I have never stood up and said that we were the best, or that our bike was. I am also not negative towards the Buell Motor Company in any way shape or form and if you think I am then you are sadly mistaken. We admire Erik immensely for his ideas and what he has acheieved with the company. That does not mean that I will fall at the feet of every Anonymous employee or 'insider' that posts here just because they are somehow connected to the Holy Grail, nor does it mean that I will necessarily agree with everything that is done by the company. If negative is owning 7 Buells, spending 8 years building up and running a solely Buell related business, putting huge amounts of our own time and money organising a race series in the UK just so that Buells had a class to race in, and run the only XB race bike the country, then we are guilty of negativity as charged. I hate to think where that puts Buell UK though, as their comittment to Buell racing over the past 10 years has been 0.
I just say things as they appear to me and won't put up with pure BS just because someone close to the BMC has said it. If you don't like to hear anything other than the company line then I suggest you stick to Buell.com and leave Forums alone. In case you didn't know, here is the Oxford English Dictionary definition of a forum:
• noun (pl. forums) 1 a meeting or medium for an exchange of views. 2 chiefly N. Amer. a court or tribunal. 3 (pl. fora) (in ancient Roman cities) a public square or marketplace used for judicial and other business.
I thought an exchange of veiews very often has more than one side to it?
Ed Key's bike DID measure 73bhp on the dyno at Daytona, so I think you are being insulting to him, the officials and all the other teams if you are suggesting (as you appear to be) that he is cheating just because he beat a couple of Buells?. As a supposed ex-racer yourself you should know that the officials and other teams involved would have something to say about switchable ECU's etc if it were at all suspected. I suppose Nate Kern is a cheat as well for daring to use an outdated BMW to lead the Thunderbike championship?
Get real.
As far as your comments to the Pup about Superbikes go, qualifying times are not that hard in Superbikes. Even some of the 600's can get into the same qualifying times as some of the Superbike ridersand Jason DiSalvo would regularly qualify mid pack with a lot less than the bhp of the superbike back markers. Mat Mladin and Neil Hodgson have both complained publicly about the slow riders at the back of the AMA Superbike field who really do not have the ability to be there and are a danger to other riders. |
Jens
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 07:22 am: |
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Imona,
"an electrical engineer could make a switchable variable ECU map that reads differently on the dyno than on the track."
Its simpler, in the german BMW Boxercup they activate the hot map with connecting two electrical wires. The connection is a needle going through the 2 cables. In the rolloutlap the rider throw away the needle... and have the allowed HP on the dyno.
Jens |
Thepup
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 07:27 am: |
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Blake according to the great Anonoy,The forks Honda and Yamaha are using cost $10,000.Blake how much do you think one would spend on a Jap. 600 to come in 8th.I am sure that the XBRR has finished behind some privateers that have no where near the $300k that is claimed that the honda and Yamaha cost,wonder how much the Suzuki cost that the XBRR finished behind.Blake,just what is my agenda?I have no agenda,sorry some people don't like to hear the truth when it comes to the short comings of the XBRR.Supporters of the XBRR need to quit embelishing the facts about the XBRR.If I had an agenda whenever someone posts on here or another board about wanting to buy a Buell,I sure would tell them not to,but I don't,nothing wrong with a Buell,but to say they are the best bike for this or that is dumb. |
Jscott
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 09:16 am: |
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"If you don't like to hear anything other than the company line then I suggest you stick to Buell.com"
"I thought an exchange of veiews very often has more than one side to it?"
Truer words were never spoken.
Got the latest issue of RoadRacingWorld in the mail yesterday. It's got a good article on Danny Eslick and his FX bike. They are running stock forks with Ohlins internals. That kid is going some where (McWilliams and Eslick for 2007 sounds good to me).
Also a great article on MotorCszyz and the uphill battle in bringing his dream to fruition. God bless him.
Be nice to each other. It's just freaking motorcycles.
What's with the trend of nastiness towards BadWeb sponsors. First ____, then Al, and now Trojan. You guys are alienating yourselves, goodluck finding your cool Buell goodies in your Parts Unlimited catalogs.
(Message edited by JScott on August 18, 2006) |
CJXB
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 11:27 am: |
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What's with the trend of nastiness towards BadWeb sponsors. First ____, then Al, and now Trojan. You guys are alienating yourselves,
Good question ??  |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 11:33 am: |
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I appreciate very much Matt's (Trojan's) Buell enthusiasm. What he did with their new Uly is wonderful. And the successful run Adrenaline Moto/Trojan Horse made in British Supertwins was outstanding.
I do think anony has a valid point wrt Ed Key's SV. And... Nate is no longer leading the ASRA Thunderbike National Championship. After 6 of 8 rounds complete, Nate's in a very respectable 3rd place, 26 points behind series leader Dave Estok, 20 points behind 2nd place Bryan Bemisderfer just 5 points ahead of 4th place Dan Bilansky, another very determined Buell racer. Nate is something special for sure. Very new to motorcycle roadracing and immediately successful. We need to get him on a Buell so he can have a much better chance at winning! 
Note: Ed Key is in 7th place 95 points out of the lead. He apparently is not contesting the series any further. I'm not sure why.
We all have egos. The more of ourselves we invest into something, the more sensitive our egos will become concerning that particular something.
Reconciliation would be nice. Absent any clearly compelling reason to doubt it, taking one another's word would be nice too, or at least avoiding outright public statements doubting each other's words. Clarification is good.
Two pit bulls locked in combat rarely produce positive results. Some folks enjoy the show; I do not.
Ignore the troll(s) entirely and they will go away.
I am obviously the fountain of all wisdom, obey me and ye shall be more productive, more successful and young women will admire and flatter you. 
(Message edited by Blake on August 18, 2006) |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 11:50 am: |
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Hey! Let's be nasty towards DaveS now too. Dirty dog loving salesman out to make a profit! I say we GET HIM! 
Trend? There is no stinkin' trend.
Someone was nasty to Al? Al can take it, he has good character and is not the type to lash out hatefully at competition or critics the way some do. _____? Indeed.
You left out Kevin of Drummer fame. Another man of high character and amazing competitive drive and most of all enthusiasm for Buell motorcycles.
It ain't a trend. It's folks juiced up and venting (okay) or attacking (not as okay) with with some internet anonymity - I'm not at all speaking only in regards to "anonymous" posters either - who feel compelled to engage in fairly critical discussions, the result of which on an internet discussion board is nothing but predictable. Wish we were all better than that. Maybe some day. Been there, done that. Learning to avoid it.
Publicly complaining about it is akin to shouting into a hurricane. It may feel satisfying at the moment, but it is a gesture of little effect. I/we custodian do very much appreciate the expressed desire for positive decorum though.
Maybe BadWeB needs a Dr. Phil thread where those so inclined may hash out and discuss the harsh behaviors of some here. Yech!
I'd rather talk about the bright future of Buell racing, the XBRR and how uncompetitive a VR road racing machine would be in comparison.  |
Blake
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To which great "Anony" are you refering? There are many.
In which anony statement was there an error, the one asserting that the top factory FX front ends cost more than a new XBRR, or the one that asserts that the Dealy's/Crevier's front end was the same as the one seen on Hondas and Yamahas? Could each of those statements be correct? It only matters so much to one seeking to spread ill-will and consternation.
I don't know of any privateer who was able to charge from far back on the starting grid to a top ten finish. McWilliams did that at Laguna, and Crevier did that at Mid Ohio. Very impressive. To anyone with a fair mind that is.
A Buell is the best bike for me and for a lot of fellow motorcycle and racing enthusiasts that I know.
Buell motorcycles are apparently the best bikes to compete in ASRA Thunderbike series.
Buell motorcycles are the best 80-100 HP class bikes for low end power and fuel efficiency.
Buells are the best bikes for simplicity and ease of maintenance.
Buells are the best bikes for innovative design and out of the box thinking that lead to real benefits on the road and on the track.
A Buell is the best cornering motorcycle as rated and measured by two separate and independent evaluations.
But again mainly, for some of us, a Buell motorcycle is the best motorcycle for us.
Sorry that so burns a hole in your psyche.
This is a Buell enthusiasts' site.
(Message edited by Blake on August 18, 2006) |
CJXB
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 12:48 pm: |
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I am obviously the fountain of all wisdom, obey me and ye shall be more productive, more successful and young women will admire and flatter you.
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Xb12rdude
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 03:13 pm: |
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Wow, I read about 5% of this thread and found it enough to be deleted. I've emailed or asked questions to Dave, Al and Trojan and received very polite, informative and quick responses. You guys are great and thanks for supporting us peeps with tons of stupid questions..................Well, that's my input on this stupid thread with out needing to read any further. |
Swordsman
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 04:35 pm: |
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Holy crap, is this not over YET????
(ahem...) 
I say slap a Hemi in it and let'er rip.
(and please, PLEASE don't start arguing about that one too!)
How 'bout less TV, more riding?
~SM
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Bads1
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 04:44 pm: |
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Diablobrian
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 05:40 pm: |
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Jscott
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 07:21 pm: |
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"I'd rather talk about the bright future of Buell racing, the XBRR and how uncompetitive a VR road racing machine would be in comparison."
Speaking of the XBRR, VIR FX qualifying is over...
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Aug/sp2/060818f.htm
Crevier in 13th 4.37 seconds off pace
Hale in 18th 5.979 seconds off pace
In other FX news, Chris Caylor has decided to sit out the rest of the season.
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=26757 |
Rocketman
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Trojan,
Maybe it's time you left the Buell business. You spend so much of your time posting negatives against Buell it's unbelievable. I would never buy from you, even if the dollar were strong, because I don't appreciate your holier than though attitude.
What a nasty thing to say.
Rocket |
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