| Author | Message | ||
     Cro13 |
I received my letter on Saturday Called the dealer on Monday They say, “What day is good for you” I say “WOW, how about Thursday” They say, “See you then” Thursday comes, I drop off the bike. I get a call around noon, “your bikes done” Bryan’s in Langhorne PA. Just built a new building with a HUGE service dept. This was my first service with them in the new facility and I must say it was a very good experience. Carter Smith 03 XB9R | ||
| Csg_Inc |
Just as an update went to Chosa's at 8am told them to also check the tps setting as sometimes it would idle at 2200 then finally drop back to 1050rpm and sometimes on the high end it felt like an old two stroke that was loaded up. well by 11:20am Job done bike washed and TPS reset no charge have a nice day. Also finally got a call back from the scottsdale dealer mid afternoon tuesday said they did not have the "Special Buell Tool". It is about 70 not a cloud in the sky and it is a day that ends in a "Y" so Time to go ride. DAVE | ||
| Timbo |
Got mine replaced today, They did it while I visited with the resident go-fast guys Matty and Ernie, then some friends I hadn't seen in a while showed up out of the blue as well. Heck, they even had fresh coffee and lots of food too. Not a bad way to spend a Saturday morning at all. Thanks Glendale Buell! Timbo | ||
| Charley |
I started replacing a set of wheel bearings on a XB9R today. After pulling the frontwheel bearings and pressing in a new bearing on 1 side i decieded to measure the difference between the height of the spacer and the cavity in the wheel where the bearing rest in/on. I found out that the spacer was 0.040mm > 0.0016" shorter than it supposed to be , this way the bearing will be destroyed in no time. I called with the tech department of Buell Benelux in the Netherlands , if there's supposed to be a new spacer with the kit and they just said press in the new bearings and it will be o.k.?! never heard of a to short spacer. When i asked them if anyone ever measured the difference the answer was they never thought of that possibility. anyone else measured the difference ? | ||
| Anonymous |
Charley, That is because the bearing center race sticks out further than the outer race. The spacer will aways be slightly shorter than the bearing outer race seat distance. The new bearings will be fine. | ||
| Charley |
Anonymous , did you ever looked at a bearing? the outer and inner race are parralel and flat with each other except in some special aplication bearings | ||
| Blake |
Charley, Suggest you look more carefully at your bearings. | ||
| Charley |
Hello Blake , can you be more specific? I measured them with a micrometer , and looked it up in several bearing manufacturers handbooks and in the specs of these bearing numbers 6005-2rs1 and 6006-2rs1 the inner and outer race are the same size. So where should i look more carfully at ??!! | ||
| Hans |
Charley, Seems to me, that you have found a serious problem. When there is some expert who can give a logical explanation, he can tell me maybe also how they manage to get the steel balls into bearings. Hans | ||
| Blake |
Charley, Look at the way the load imparted by the axle's tension is reacted through the spacers and inner races of the bearings. The inner races are clamped solidly between the axle's shoulder, the spacers, which in turn are sized precisely to accurately position the inner races wrt the outer races, and the left side fork boss. Notice the spacer inside the wheel's hub? Maybe the following will help...  Axle (1), Forks (2), Bearings (2), and Spacers (3)  The above is probably grossly inaccurate, out of scale and such, but it illustrates the basic concept of how the center spacer maintains the inner races in line with the outer races. The outer (green) spacers in fact must not protrude through the inner race or they would interfere with the clamp load required to hold the inner race of the bearings tightly in place. The outer spacers must not touch the center spacer (shown in black). That's kinda hard to see in the picture, but there is a space between the black and green spacers. The compressive load path goes from axle shoulder to green spacer on right to red inner bearing race on right to black center spacer to red inner bearing race on left to green spacer on left to fork leg boss on left. The center spacer (shown in black) when subjected to compression due to torquing of the axle should be equal in length to the distance between the two outer race bearing seats. The right side fork leg floats on the axle until the axle is torqued, then the pinch bolt are tightened to lock the fork/axle in place and in proper alignment. Make sense now? | ||
| Hans |
I thought about a too short black bar = spacer. Hans | ||
| Hans |
And to get the balls within the bearings is easier than thought: Filling the bearing sideways with the inner race in an excentric position and then spreading the balls evenly and fix them with a cage. Ha. Hans | ||
| Jim_Witt |
The above is probably grossly inaccurate, out of scale and such, but it illustrates ...... You need a copy of AutoCAD. (smile) -JW:>  | ||
| Blake |
Hans, The center spacer being too short could be a problem. If the wheel spins freely once the axle is torqued, that is a good indication that all is well. Put any significant lateral load on the wheel bearings and they will tell you about it. Good call, I was thinking that the XB9's did not have outer spacers. Maybe the inner race is offset from the outer race. Jim, yeah, yeah... MS Paint is easier. | ||
| Anonymous |
XB models do not have any external spacers. | ||
| Hans |
Yeah: Apparently the inner race has to be set exactly 0.0008" off from the outer race to get rid of too much free play with those bearings. That idea is supported by the necessity to renew them in pairs. Hans | ||
| Charley |
quote "The center spacer (shown in black) when subjected to compression due to torquing of the axle should be equal in length to the distance between the two outer race bearing seats" quote2 "The center spacer being too short could be a problem" O.K. blake , as i said the spacer is to short, 0.0016" to be exact. I found that the left bearing was damaged and the right was o.k. , this could indicate that when the axle is torqued from the left side it puts to much load on the left bearing deu to the freeplay and destroy's it. What's your opinion about that. (on school and in practice i learned that the inner spacer should be the exact same lenght as the distance between the bearing seats) | ||
| Idzerda |
quote "The center spacer (shown in black) when subjected to compression due to torquing of the axle should be equal in length to the distance between the two outer race bearing seats" And that is the very right answer !! To be precise: The center spacer has to be 0.004" LONGER in its uncompressed state than the distance between the outer race seats. (Result of asking around.) Hans | ||
| Chainsaw |
XB Wheel Bearings: To those of you with XB's that have changed their own wheel bearings, did you have the "special" forcing screw tool to install them? If not, what did you do? My dealer does not have the tool, won't cough up the bearings to me, and I am likely to have a bearing failure before they get their act together. Is this the sort of bearing that can be changed at an import shop without difficulty? I'm not to proud to take the wheels off myself and bring 'em to a Honda shop if necessary. ChainSaw | ||
| Blake |
Please call Buell Customer Service and let them know about your situation. It is not right. | ||
| Chainsaw |
Thanks for the advice Blake, but what can I expect to result from that phone call? The sidestand and tool are "on order" and I liberated the bike from captivity this evening. No matter what I do, I have to arrange a ride AGAIN for the drop off and pick-up, and I'll never get those 6 Buell-less days back. This is the second dealer I've tried to get this fixed at. First go was at Rocky Mountain HD, sponsoring dealer of our BRAG group. I had scheduled the bike 2 weeks in advance. I was to drop it off after working a Buell Demo for them. Came time to drop off the bike, they didn't have the parts, I wouldn't leave the bike. My latest experience was with the selling dealer, Sun HD, whom I've bought 2 bikes from in 3 years. I expect some sort of consideration from them! Unless Buell Customer Service can send the Mobile Bike Fairy Repair Team to my garage, my situation will not improve.  | ||
| Court |
>>>but what can I expect to result from that phone call? I predict rapid and effective results. Buell Customer Service has and continues to earn a good reputation. | ||
| Xb9 |
Charley, Hmmm, my early XB9R had the left side front wheel bearing fail first also, and I recall thinking there was a little too much play with the spacer also...... don't have that wheel assembly anymore to check it though. | ||
| Blake |
Chainsaw, Please send me an email so I can contact you... Blake@BadWeatherBikers.com Thanks, Blake | ||
| Court |
Patrick: Sounds like the solution is at hand! Kudos to the dealer who jumped through the hoops and to the folks at BCS who got your message first thing today. Drop me a note and keep me posted. Court | ||
| Chainsaw |
XB9: What was the tell-tell sign of your bearing failure? I know that in a car, I can expect to hear a squeaking noise and possible smoke or a burning smell. I just want to know what to look for in the interm. | ||
| Xb9 |
It was kind if strange, went out for a ride and something in the front end just didn't feel quite right, and I couldn't put my finger on it. I was getting ready to head down to the Gap, so I figured I better give the front end a good inspection. No noises or anything that I could hear. So after the ride, I jacked up the front wheel, couldn't feel anything loose, but I had a hunch that I should check the bearings. So I removed the wheel and as soon as I spun it on the truing stand, I could hear the rough bearing. There was no noticeable play in the wheel when assembled on the bike or on the truing stand, but after removing the bearings and inspecting individually, it was obvious the left side bearing was going south, had some play in it. Looks like the seal was shit and let dirt in, the grease was turning a brownish color. I feel kind of lucky I caught it early, especially before the 3,000 mile trip. | ||
| Xb9 |
That was at 4 months old, 8,000 miles Obviously, I had a problem keeping it in the garage, that problem still has not gone away (and probably never will)!! The most fun-to-ride bike I have ever ridden! | ||
| Chainsaw |
XB9 you still shame me. 7,000 miles, 10 months, and I ride 300+ days a year. I just need 20 degrees and above with no freezing precipitation. (the bolt competes with my sportster for attention, though) I'll keep an eye out on those bearings. Thanks for the tip! | ||
| Sicemm |
My wife and I were on our way home from Myrtle Beach Bike week. Heading down 95 south about 80 mile per hour. The bearings came out of the rear tire. As I was riding I heard a noise from the back and realized the back tire felt loose or something. Pulled over and saw the rear tire missing all the bearings, grease and metal shavings all over the the place. The bike was unable to ride any further. The dealer ship was very amazed that it did not cause an accident. I too received a letter about the upgrade for the front and rear tire. It expressed in the letter that this was not a SAFETY ISSUE. I strongly disagree. I called Buell costumer service and they said this must be not related to the upgrade. The dealer and I both disagree. I suggested to them that they might want to resend the letters out to be a recall before someone gets hurt. Waiting to see what happens. The dealer said that so much damage had occurred that the whole back will have to be replaced. It will be a while before I get my bike back. |
