| Author | Message | ||
     Milar |
This weeks issue of Cycle News (5/31) has a report from Alan Cathcart that Buell will introduce a liquid cooled v-twin superbike as a 2007 model. "more than 1 US source insists that Buell has been working on just such a bike for the past 2 years and is set to launch it in the market place as a 2007 model..." It's on page #14. M | ||
| Curtyd |
WOW, better get the credit report all straightened out. This could bring the end to $9K BUELLS... FAST. | ||
| Josh_ |
liquid... water or oil? | ||
| Milar |
>liquid... >water or oil? The article says liquid, an all new motor. It also says Buell will go superbike racing with the new bike. I'm VERY skeptical. Why do the RR if you intend to field a superbike team next year? But Cathcart sounds pretty certain. He says: "Watch this space for more details as they become available. But from the number of different sources all outlining the same scenario, this one looks to be a runner." | ||
| Indy_bueller |
There was a similar report not too long ago that was discredited. It was practically word for word. I expect to see a variation of the Uly, perhaps a "9" version. With the wild success of the Uly they would be crazy not to follow it up. | ||
| Pupu |
but why make a 9, unless it is just to make it cheaper. i wouldnt really think there would be any advantages. | ||
| U4euh |
Didn't some one have some info on the 'Highland' motor company a few post ago. Highland, highlander, something to that effect. Something like a 980cc, 70° v-twin, liquid cooled, putting out like 110 hp? This could be it, dang. | ||
| Teddagreek |
Some one I was talking to said this was also mentioned during racing event last weekend... I'd like to see a V4 ..... | ||
| M1combat |
I've heard a couple rumors but not from any insiders... exactly... I doubt they'll drop the air cooled engine this year though and I really thing that the XB12 will become one of the true Buell classics. I'm keeping mine and wouldn't mind getting another... It would be cool  . | ||
| Teddagreek |
 http://www.highland.se/index.aspx | ||
| Aldaytona |
Ya can't always believe those Wacky Brits! Cheers  | ||
| Barker |
"I'm VERY skeptical. Why do the RR if you intend to field a superbike team next year?" ~Milar Milar, Buell could have two race bikes one for FX and one for Superbike. | ||
| Lord_deathscyte |
Why would u drop a motor that already meet emission standards thru 2008. | ||
| M1combat |
Because everyone wants more power... They won't "drop" it anyway. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I may have to change my plans for my next new bike..... | ||
| Howieshotrods |
I have to agree, I don't think they will drop the current powerplant.....but it could be cool to see the addition of a new bike to the family. It would be kind of like the vrod to the harley cruisers. Still don't know that I believe the rumors yet. | ||
| Slaughter |
I'm VERY skeptical. Why do the RR if you intend to field a superbike team next year? Because the Buell XBRR (with reduced bore to 1200cc) in club racing goes up against the 750-class Ducatis and SV650. Big bore, it'll do FX. In both cases, it'd be pretty competitive. I don't know about putting out a big liquid-cooled twin unless the rules are changing to support a twins class like the old AMA racing when the big things were the RC-51 (DuHamel), Ducati (Bostrom) and the VR1000 (well...) I would think that there would be interest in a "new" twins class of racing: Buell, Honda, Ducati, KTM, Aprilia... would look very interesting. Much as I'd like to see it, I can't help but feel that NOBODY is going to compete successfully on a TWIN against the I-4, V-4 and (possibly) V-5 bikes. (Message edited by slaughter on June 06, 2006) | ||
| Jscott |
How come I hear the Who singing "Won't get fooled again!!..." in my head. Seriously I would hope so, but I've wished for it year after year - and I'm not holding my breath anymore. | ||
| Slaughter |
Maybe as a prototype racebike but I just don't see it as a streetbike. I've been very wrong many times before though. I'll put a wish in one hand, a turd in the other and tell you which one fills up quicker. (doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see a street-legal twin) | ||
| Dongalonga |
it will happen eventually you can count on that there is too much demand for it. maybe not this year but it will happen. | ||
| Hattori_hanzo |
Every year since I bought my XB there have been speculations, rumors, and even some requests for a liquid cooled v-twin Buell. It will happen when it happens, I just won't be holding my breath. | ||
| Spike |
Ducati has been trying to get 1200cc v-twins into WSBK recently. If that happens I could possibly see Buell showing up with a new 1200cc liquid-cooled motor to go racing. Otherwise I don't see the point of it. The existing motor is great fun on the street due to big torque, low maintenance, and high fuel mileage. Going to a smaller liquid-cooled motor would be sacrificing all those great street qualities just for more power up top. Aside from that, the RR motor is already proving that air-cooled pushrod motors can make big horsepower, even if it's not liquid-cooled I4 horsepower. The XBRR is already shaping up to be a serious contender in FX, and it's easy enough to modulate the displacement for getting into other classes of racing. Buell seems to have a solid future in air-cooled twins. The existing motor is great except for those that want more power. The XBRR has that power and is a contender in FX. Give us a street version of the RR motor for those that want more power, continue to develop the RR for FX, play with the displacement to fit it into different classes. It seems like an obvious path for the next few years of Buell, allowing them a growing fanbase and a strong niche following. Switching two liquid-cooled seems to do the opposite. It would be very costly to maintain two competing drivetrains, so it's unlikely that they'd develop a new motor and continue to update the old. If a new motor shows up, expect the old to be phased out or kept only to power lesser models. If they switch to a liquid-cooled twin they'll have to go for a standard 750cc or 1000cc if they plan to run in any of the existing race classes. This gives them an engine layout that Honda has given up on and that Ducati is struggling to compete with. I don't doubt the abilities of the Buell powertrain engineers, but building a new 1000cc v-twin for competition would be a huge challenge for anybody at this point. Also, I think switching over to a liquid-cooled v-twin that requires more maintenance and burns more fuel would turn off a large number of existing Buell fans that like Buells for the simplicity and hot-rod feel. | ||
| Vaxb |
Slaughter, there IS a new series for twins only!! Its and endurance type series designed just for twins. I'll see if I can find some info. | ||
| Slaughter |
Slaughter, there IS a new series for twins only!! Its and endurance type series designed just for twins. I'll see if I can find some info. AMA? That is kinda sounding familiar now that you tied it to endurance. If there were other factories behind it AND it was an endurance type series with BIGGER pubilicity than the WERA or CMRA or CCS/ASRA - it might start making sense. | ||
| M1combat |
"Also, I think switching over to a liquid-cooled v-twin that requires more maintenance and burns more fuel would turn off a large number of existing Buell fans that like Buells for the simplicity and hot-rod feel." Which is why I think the current XB12's will be the quintessential "classic" Buell in years to come. Just under the S1W... I'll be picking up an S1W when I can. | ||
| Ducxl |
Well,there certainly is a horsepower point where the air coolers end and the liquid coolers begin.The only path to higher performance leads to water. | ||
| Tunes |
In '99 I bought my S3 thinking this is the "end-all" in bike design. Then Buell comes out with the XB series... so I go out and buy an -04 XB12s thinking this is the "end-all" in bike design.. Then Buell comes out with the ss (long) and the Ulysses. No, I haven't bought another Buell cause I can't keep up with the costs...  Speculation is fun. Rumors shouldn't be taken seriously cause they're, well, rumors... and no more than that. H-D is legendary for being able to keep a secret... so I don't believe any of this... and if it comes true, then I'll smile and be happy. No reason to get stressed over this... They're Buells, so they're going to be fun, no matter what. | ||
| Chadhargis |
It would be no problem for Buell to maintain two engine platforms, they already do with the Blast and the XB (or V-Twin series as it says on the assembly line). The engines are shipped to Buell completely assembled. They attach the swingarm, then the frame, then the forks, and all the various other pieces. As long as Buell outsources engine production, they can pretty much do whatever they want. Wouldn't it be nice to see them buddy up with KTM, Aprilla, or other narrow angle V-twin maker and shoehorn one of their multivalve water pumpers into a Buell chassis? Multivalve and torque is not mutually exclusive, the BMW boxer is a good example of this. | ||
| Diablobrian |
Don't buy into the hype. July is coming. Be patient. | ||
| M1combat |
Who was it that got the scoop on the Uly last year? |
