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Bads1
| | Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 03:59 pm: | 
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My children could take anything away from my dogs,toys,food,treats because they are his kids or family sorta speak.But a complete stranger child or adult no matter how friendly or well he was brought up you DON'T MESS WITH HIS FOOD because he or she might decide they are not going to share.That is where the PACK!!! law comes into effect. |
Josh
| | Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 05:08 pm: |
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My 2 wonderful dogs will let you take anything away from them including a food bowl (they do expect to get everything back back and assume anything in your possession is on loan) but they absolutely cannot be fed together.
Relating to the original post, I can aways tell when my dogs are playing. A good friend of mine can't and any sort of "aggression" on their part scares him. He doesn't mind my parents 80lb Lab but he's always frightened of my 2. Go figure.
But my dogs do very good with *SIT* and *OFF* both key commands IMHO. |
Grndskpr
| | Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 09:02 pm: |
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Blake you just love to argue ok here goes:
A Buell is not a Harley Sportster, but it does share a lot of common traits.
not only is that quote now saved it has been sent off to some friends for later use
But seriously all motorcycle share a lot of common traits, so its not a valid point, ie all dogs come from wolves, all dogs, from those little pugs to my staff, they all share common traits, its all in the training, there is NO SUCH THING AS A BAD DOG, ONLY BAD OWNERS, this is more true now than ever, did you know that part of the training involved in any dog should be sticking your hand in the food bowl, this trains the dog to not be worried about lossing his food supply, and guess what, ALL my dogs were NEVER my pups, in other words, i got 2 of these dogs from either shelter or they were pulled from a bad home, the dog you see posted above was taken from a home in TN after the person paid over 500 bucks to chain her outside(what an asshole) he later said the dog was pet quality and was not worth the money, the pic above is her winning best of breed, she won that one before she was a champion and took the title over some very good dogs(including the #1 dog in the midwest) that guy in TN got a copy of that picture with a nice letter, my Rott was pulled from a home by the city(do you know how bad it has to be to pull a dog from a home) it took me 9 months to house break him, and i will admit it was tuff to stick my hand in that bowl, especially a dog that did not eat for days at a time, guess what, that dog would protect my wife from anything, if something odd was going on, he made sure you knew he was around, funny story, on a long vacation, my niece took care of him(she was 3, he was 5 and 130lbs)she feed him, brushed him, slept with him, rode him around for 3 weeks, she can be a little fussy, and one day her grandpa stops by, he picks her up to kiss her and she begins to get upset, Bear my Rott, runs over, behind grandpa, makes sure he lets him know he is around and will not leave until she gets put down, once put down, he gave grandpa a little push away, made sure she was ok, and then waited till grandpa gave her a little room, i hear this story every christmas at least once during the evening(mainly because everyone thought we were nuts for taking a rescue dog, and a rott of all things, i had to hear how he was going to eat us in our sleep about 100 times)The hardest thing was telling that little girl that Bear could not come out and play anymore because he was with GOD, he passed from cancer 1 yr ago,
All motorcycles have common traits, all dogs have common traits, being carefull, and labeling dogs are 2 differnt things, Chicago is one of the greatest places in the world, one of the reasons is there laws reguarding dogs, 3 bites and your dog can not leave your property, doesnt matter what kind of dog, now go a little north, and you can not own a staff or pitt dog of any kind, well that would not have help the lady in San Fransisco, she was killed by a carine(sp?), from spain, not really in the pitt group, and never listed in any breed specific laws(there rare and hard to come by in the US)
Blake i will no longer try to change your mind reguarding dogs, you have what i would consider special conditions, that some people will or can not understand, due to what has happened to you in the past, what ever you have done till now has worked so i would not stop because some dork at the other end of a computer screen says so, however, please do not assume all dogs that look like pitts are pitts, you may miss a wonderfull opportunity, and mark my words, due to the over breeding of golden Ret. they will rank high on the bit list next year, so watch yourself |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 11:00 pm: |
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Roger,
What are we supposed to be arguing about? I enjoy a good debate, but I like to know what the point and counterpoint are, and which one I am supposed to be defending.
I think you misread my statements. Cause you certainly misunderstand my attitude towards dogs. I own two. One a rescued stray. Dogs invariably like me, probably cause I like them. I trust most dogs more than I trust most people.
I said...
"A surprise dog bite is not the fault of the dog. It is the fault of the dog's owner for assuming that the dog would not bite."
You said...
"there is NO SUCH THING AS A BAD DOG, ONLY BAD OWNERS"
Doesn't sound like an argument to me.  |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 11:05 pm: |
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The "common traits" of Buells and sportsters I mentioned are not those common to ALL motorcycles. |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 02:24 am: |
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The "common traits" of Buells and sportsters I mentioned are not those common to ALL motorcycles.
But just like dogs they both like to mark their spot |
Dynarider
| | Posted on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 04:43 am: |
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Heres a pic for all of the dog lovers out there
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Grndskpr
| | Posted on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 09:12 am: |
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The "common traits" of Buells and sportsters I mentioned are not those common to ALL motorcycles.
Actually you didnt mention any traits, you just said traits, which can be applied to any motorcycle, now the traits you were thinking, well again theres is the old mind reading thing
What are we supposed to be arguing about? I enjoy a good debate, but I like to know what the point and counterpoint are, and which one I am supposed to be defending
Here is what you said:
Why do the standards for some breeds like American Stafforshire Terriers, include docked ears and tails?
plus this
You do know the primary reasons why Pit Bulls and American Staffordshire Terriers were bred don't you?
Maybe i am confused but it sounds like you are lumping Am staffs in the same boat, with all the other pitt dogs, and of course i am not willing to agree to that, but again i am biased
Dyna, that pic(i am almost certain) is from a schutzhund class, the most amazing training a dog can get, very few can actually do it, rotts, dobies, shepards all do well, but guess what, staffs also do well and sometimes better due to there speed, funny story(seems i have a bunch of them and dogs) I was at a Schutz trial(its kinda a test for point to go on to the next level), one of the test involves a guy in a protective suit, he runs about 40 yards ahead, you let the dog go from a stand, and he has to bring the guy down, so the guy does about 10 rotts, nows how fast they are, and he has been doing this a while, they bring up a staff, guy runs, gets 25 yards away, staff catches him(he didnt realize they were that fast) someone has to yell at the guy, to turn around, another 10 seconds, it would have bitt his behind, scared the guy and made us all laugh, best part of that event was the dog leaving the ring to be greated by this adorable little girl, giving him a big hug for doing so well, i wish i had more time to do this type of training, but we all have to eat and buy bikes, so it will have to wait till i retire. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 10:34 am: |
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Roger,
Sounds to me like you are a bit defensive. Does one need to be a mind reader to recognize the traits shared by Buells and Sportsters? Is it reasonable to infer that I was speaking about traits common to all motorcycles?
The two quotes you point out are questions. Questions that you did not answer by the way; I wonder why. I'm still not finding anything to argue about.
Unless you disagree with the following...
Quote:The AKC eschewed breeds called "pit bulls" until 1936, when it recognized the American Pit Bull Terrier under the alias Staffordshire Terrier, named after the miners of Staffordshire, England, who had a hand in developing the breed for the fighting pit. The name was changed in 1972 to the American Staffordshire Terrier to distinguish the breed from the Staffordshire Bull Terrier of England, the ancestor of the American dogs, which was recognized by AKC in 1974. The British version of the dog is 14-16 inches tall and weighs up to 45 pounds. The American cousin is 18-19 inches tall and weighs up to 80 pounds. UKC's American Pit Bull Terrier is preferred to range from 30-60 pounds with females generally, but not necessarily, smaller than males."
From http://www.canismajor.com/dog/amerpit.html Also see http://www.canismajor.com/dog/amstaff.html |
Phillyblast
| | Posted on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 10:36 am: |
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Roger,
Beautiful pooch ya got there
My mutt was also a rescue, she was 17 lbs. with ribs protruding when I got her, abused and then abandoned, found eating out of the trash (I still can't leave the trash can out when I leave the house, and she's 9 today). She's an Am Staff/Hound mix, and my next dog will be an Am Staff as well, I can't imagine living with another breed. They're loyal, protective, smart, loving companions. The current g/f is still trying to reconcile the idea of this "dangerous breed" with the dog she sees in front of her, but has progressed to the point of playing tug-of-war with her. Jen got a big kick out of watching me twirl the pooch around in a circle in the dining room - dog holding on to chew toy, back legs off the ground while I made both of us dizzy. She was even happier to see Sophie immediately drop the toy when I told her to.
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Grndskpr
| | Posted on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 11:26 am: |
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Blake:
Questions that you did not answer by the way;
Why do the standards for some breeds like American Stafforshire Terriers, include docked ears and tails?
Answer:Wed Feb 12,2003 12:06 pm:
Please got to:http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/amstaff.cfm
it says that cropped ears are NOT prefered, actually, au natural is preffered, and tails should not be cropped so i think you may be getting breds mixed up
Question 2:
You do know the primary reasons why Pit Bulls and American Staffordshire Terriers were bred don't you?
Answer:
I guess i really did not answer it clearly, but i thought at the time i had, so hear goes
A pitt bull is any dog that is trained to fight in a ring, no matter the dog or wolf bred, it refers to the ring, which appears to be a pitt, so lumping in am staffs and pitt dogs seems a tad unfair,
Here is the title from the page you quoted:
American Staffordshire Terrier
Inherently vicious? Definitely not!
more from the article:
The City of Cincinnati and some surrounding communities have banned them. The City of Fairfield, Ohio first declared them vicious and then banned them, and the State of Ohio lumps them in with breeds “commonly known as a pit bull dog” and calls them vicious.
The media stirs the pot with stories about rampaging pit bulls and deadly attacks, and the public is frightened.
The object of all this attention is a group of dogs loosely referred to as “pit bull dogs” or “pit bull terriers” and specifically including three or four breeds that have not been bred for fighting for decades and that were not aggressive to humans even when they were bred for fighting. The reason for the attention is the irresponsible actions of some owners of these dogs — owners who fail to properly socialize and train their animals or who actually use them for criminal purposes
even more:
Because of their fighting heritage, three of the four American bull and terrier breeds were destined to be misunderstood and maligned even decades after the breeds' fighting days were ended. Tales of unprovoked vicious attacks, jaws with the strength of Hercules, and dogs climbing on cars and even into trees to reach frightened victims seem to occur in bunches in newspapers all over the country, and each such spate of stories is often followed by a ban on the breeds.
However, just as with other breeds and mixes, the attacks by these dogs can be traced to human error or malfeasance — the dogs involved were likely to be poorly trained and socialized or deliberately trained to attack humans.
i could go on for days(and this all came from your article posted above), this is a great article, thanks for the note Blake, kinda says the same thing i have been saying all along
Question 3:
Sounds to me like you are a bit defensive
You can not hear me, or else you understand that i am not being defensive, just trying to educate people of the virtues of owning a dog, that was/is considered a man eater, and how wrong they can be, and maybe yes i am a little defensive when misinformation can lead to laws that out law a specific breed of dog, it bothers me to no end how someone take take a dog that was decorated in battle,a tv star, and in some cases life savers, but due to poor owners, be out lawed, when in reality it was the owners fault
Philly that is so true of the breed, and i mentioned it to my breeder, and he recounted one of his stories:
In my breeders back yard there is a rope atached to a tree, with a knot, and the dogs loved to hang from it and play tug of war with the tree, one of his dogs had decided come hell of high water he was going to pull the tree down, and proceded to hang for over 3 hours, until the police showed up, The breeder says hello can i help you, and all the police say is please take me to your back yard, NOW, being a good citizen he leads them back, and stops short due to most people being afraid of staffs, and the police push through and acuse him of hanging dogs(as in executing) he almost went pee in his pants he laughed so hard, one comand of off and the dog jumped down, and both cops ran out the back gate, until they were shown her obediece lessons, to this day, they still come by and get a smile out of the whole stroy, and i think one of them ended up with a pup, funny dogs |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 04:37 pm: |
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Roger,
Okay, now I can argue...
Did I ask what the breed standard was? I thought I asked why you thought the standards for SOME breeds, including the AmStaff, INCLUDED (not mandated) surgically altered ears and tails. The AmStaff standard does include cropped ears, it may not mandate them and may prefer natural, but it does include them. Why do you think that is?
I also would not agree that all pit fighting dogs are "Pit Bull Dogs." A Bull Dog has distinctive traits. A Chow is not a bull dog. A German Shepard is not a Bull Dog. A Wolf is not a Bull dog. The AmStaff is a Bull Dog descended from pit fighting dogs. If you read your response, you will find that you still have not answered my question. Kinda funny. You may have a future in politics.
I also thought the info on those Pit Bull and AmStaff web pages was excellent. I did read the entire text of each. Glad you liked them too.
You really are barking up the wrong tree if you think I am in favor of outright banning breeds. I am not. I do think certain breeds require owners of strong will and appropriate demeanor.
It is interesting that there has supposedly never been a human death attributed to wild wolves. That underscores the fact that there are no bad dogs, just bad owners.
Your story about swinging your dog around as it held fast to a rope brings back memories of when my Border Collie was younger. He's heading towards fourteen now and has slowed down some, probably to the activity level of most normal dogs. Anyway, he too used to refuse to let go of the rope and I'd get him airborne in airplane mode.
Since teaching him to howl on command though, I can always win the battle of wills. He'll latch onto the rope and after a time of tugging and play, I'll utter the command "howl". He'll still hold fast to the rope but will start with this frustrated sounding high pitched errrrRRRRRRrrrrrrRRRRRRrrrr, almost like an ambulance siren sound. I'll say again, "Howwwwwwl"; and after another few seconds of EEEERRRRRrrrrRRRRRrrrrRRRRr, he cannot help but let the rope drop, throw his head back and let fly a full blown howl. He still cracks me up to this day. Best friend I've ever had.
They say Border Collies are one of the more intelligent breeds. I don't know though. He's having an awfully tough time with long division. 
You'd like his name. It's Roger.
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Grndskpr
| | Posted on Monday, February 17, 2003 - 09:14 am: |
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Did I ask what the breed standard was? I thought I asked why you thought the standards for SOME breeds, including the AmStaff, INCLUDED (not mandated) surgically altered ears and tails. The AmStaff standard does include cropped ears, it may not mandate them and may prefer natural, but it does include them. Why do you think that is?
Answer:
Altered ear are easier than trying to train a dog to put his ears in a certain stance, so they are allowed in, it is because in general most am staffs have croped ears so leaving them alone in a show ring is a disadvantage, it also can fix a dog, ie, there might be a dog of good looks in the bunch but bad ears, crop them and fix them, and since i do not belive the am staff was bred for fighting(plus you mentioned that) there is no reason other than cosmetic
I also would not agree that all pit fighting dogs are "Pit Bull Dogs."
than take it up with Bonnie Wilcox, DVM and Chris Walkowicz, authors of the atlas of dog breeds of the world, because it says:
For many years, the term "pit bull" was given to any dog of the fighting pits.
If you read your response, you will find that you still have not answered my question. Kinda funny.
which one??I will make sure i answer it this time if i can |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 08:57 pm: |
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For Roger...
Blake and Titan |
Road_Thing
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 10:29 pm: |
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Jrh: Scroll up about three posts--does that thing have a nail hole in it??
r-t |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 12:58 am: |
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Some interesting stats and commentary...
http://www.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/09/15/deadly.dogs.ap/
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/dogbreeds.pdf
Note that Amstaffs are included in the Pit Bull breed category.
Kind of sobering, wouldn't you say? |
Phillyblast
| | Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 08:10 am: |
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not to make light of those stats, but . . .
Cocker Spaniel - 1 huh? Did they slip and hit their head in the puddle of nervous pee?
But seriously, folks -
Over/irresponsible breeding of certain breeds leads to dogs with an unstable tempermant, combine that with an unknowledgeable or lazy owner, and you're asking for trouble no matter what the breed. I've seen some really nasty Cocker Spaniels, including one that bit it's owner on the face badly enough for him to require stitches. And he still has the dog and has never seen a trainer. Go figure. The dog is a time bomb, and I hope nothing ever happens. My g/f and I talked about kids and dogs the other day, and if we ever get to that point, I'm perfectly comfortable with a _fully_trained Am Staff in the house. But only if _both_of_us are involved in the training process and one of us is a stay at home parent and spends time with the dog. One of the biggest problems is owners that leave the dog alone for hours chained up outside. Proper socialization and training can avoid a lot of problems. And a protection trained pooch is not a "mean dog". My brothers German Shepard (now deceaed) was originally trained to be a K9 dog, and my niece used to practically ride him around like a pony. He was a pushover for kids. But God help the person that ever tried to hurt her. Made my brother feel a lot better about working night shift knowing Sarge was in the house. |
Grndskpr
| | Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 09:04 am: |
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Kind of sobering, wouldn't you say?
No, What is a Pitt Bull TYPE, again what does that mean, if in includes anything that looks like a pittbull i would constitue that as a minimum of 2 breeds with the possibility of 4, kinda like Buell, is the XB9 S Low and different cycle or just a lowered XB9s??? Seems Buell called it a New Model, same thing as Pit bull Type, at least to Me
Maybe you will have time around the 20th, and you can see what a true Am Staff is like in person, the Dog you have pictured while nice falls short of the Am staff standard as far as showing is concerned, but i am sure that was not the intent of the pic, and i am sure it a nice dog, but not an amstaff, and thats from the front view
One other thing i would like to mention is, this is the fatality list, not the bite list, i would really like to see that, maybe you can come up with that, just to compare, i kinda bet you allready have it
Roger |
Blake
| | Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 04:13 pm: |
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Roger,
The dog in the pick is a registerd Pitt Bull. He's a puppy, about 7 or 8 months old. What a handful, but absolutely great disposition. He was rescued from an owner who intended cruel treatment and to eventually fight him. What an ass.
You are missing the point on the fatalities stats. And you are in total denial as to the potential for inflicting harm that some breeds posess compared to others. I agree with everything Philly said. Really, you have no need to be defensive, but you really should admit that an Amstaff is a dog that is very capable and instinctively, no matter how slight, prone to vicious attack.
One thing they reveal in the second study is that in many instances of fatal dog attacks on humans, there are multiple dogs involved. The uncontrolled pack hunting/territorialistic mentality can be very dangerous.
That Cocker Spaniel stat surprised me too. I believe I actually recall hearing about that in the news. It was a jealous dog scenario; killed a baby.
Dog bites are bad too, but come on, we are talking death here. I don't think deflecting the issue to another degree of attack addresses the point, do you?
Rather than ban breeds capable of such extreme agression towards humans, it might make sense to hold owners fully 100% accountable for the actions of their dog(s).
Roger, you have already responsibly addressed the issue in spades with the Schitzhund training. Wouldn't you recommend that for all owners of breeds with ancestory in security and fighting? |
Rick_A
| | Posted on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 04:31 pm: |
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My beagle is a feisty one. She definitely does not share her owners' personalities.
She will, unfortunately, attack anyone without warning. If you allow yourself to get too close, beware...she will jump on you and ferociously LICK YOUR FACE. |
Grndskpr
| | Posted on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 10:33 am: |
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The dog in the pick is a registerd Pitt Bull
With who???
He was rescued from an owner who intended cruel treatment and to eventually fight him. What an ass.
Good for whom ever rescued the pup, it can be a difficult choice to adopt a dog that has such a bad rap, but recomend basic training and socilization, very important at such a young age, but will make a life long partner, otherwise you could have a handfull for life
You are missing the point on the fatalities stats. And you are in total denial as to the potential for inflicting harm that some breeds posess compared to others.
I really dont think so, i realize the potential, as i have seen it first hand(in reguards to potential on a dummy or protected individual) in reality i think i am more aware of there ability than you are, but i also realize that from the list the most dangerous dog is a mixed breed, and by a long shoot, however i still feel there are 2 breeds being counted as one in your stats(pitt bull and Am staff), but thats me, educated owner of a champion dog, from a liniage of champion dogs
One thing they reveal in the second study is that in many instances of fatal dog attacks on humans, there are multiple dogs involved. The uncontrolled pack hunting/territorialistic mentality can be very dangerous.
It comes from wolves, most everyone with more than 2 dogs has seen this, and if there trained correct, the owner is part of the pac, this is some of the basic rules of training, and who is the Alpha dog or person
That Cocker Spaniel stat surprised me too. I believe I actually recall hearing about that in the news. It was a jealous dog scenario; killed a baby
I would also bet that the cocker is not the only one, some of the other dogs would fall into the assumption
Dog bites are bad too, but come on, we are talking death here. I don't think deflecting the issue to another degree of attack addresses the point, do you?
Depends on the point, if being aggressive is the point i think dog atacks or bites would be more important, if you are just looking for the dog that killed the most or that is most lickley to kill than no, i thought we were talking about agresive dog behavior, and its impacts, bites would be more pertanant
Rather than ban breeds capable of such extreme agression towards humans, it might make sense to hold owners fully 100% accountable for the actions of their dog(s).
I agree 100% that why i love chicago 3 bites and your out, no matter the dog, great mayor, great city
Roger, you have already responsibly addressed the issue in spades with the Schitzhund training. Wouldn't you recommend that for all owners of breeds with ancestory in security and fighting?
No way, to much time for most, what i would recomend is basic training, and socialization, maybe a good citizenship award, takes much less time, and trains a dog well and gives you the tools to continue to train as time goes by
Later
Roger |
Sandmanx1
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Hey i dont want to get to involved with this conversation but i remember seeing somthing from the insurance industry talking about different breeds that are more prone to bite or attack unprovoked. Theres was a list of the most likley offenders and cocker spanials and some other dogs that you would think are good family oreinted breeds. It has been awhile but i belive labs, and cockers and a few others in the top five are causing the most bites and the insurance companies are not insuring homes or charging large premiums for them. I guess i could have tried to look it up but im feeling kinda lazy today im sure it would not be hard to find if anyone was willing to look it up or maybe call thier home owners insurance provider. Chaulk this post up to a semi interested but blatently more lazy poster. |
Blake
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Makes sense that Cockers and Labs lead the bite list. There's one on every corner.
Roger,
I think Titan is AKC registered? He's a handful all right, but has a great demeanor. Can you recommend any good AmStaff/Pit Bull training guides? His owner simply wants a friendly well trained obedient house pet, nothing more. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 02:12 pm: |
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BTW Roger... great answers. |
Tripp
| | Posted on Friday, March 14, 2003 - 08:59 pm: |
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ok, since this is now the dog thread, i have 2 unveil my pooch, she's awesome her name is sasha, she has never bit any1 ever! she's gettin on @ 9 yrs old but such a sweet heart! she has a scar from my little 3 yr old nephew(at the time) from biting her ear so hard it almost seperated the tip of her ear and all she did was yelp and run away!   on the other hand if some1 were 2 harm my nephew with her around they'd be bummin, she's 125#s and only a little chubby especially 4 her age! |
Grndskpr
| | Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 07:49 am: |
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Roger,
I think Titan is AKC registered?
If its AKC(american kennel club) then the dog is am staff, AKC does not regognize the pitt bull per say, however the UKC does regestier pit bulls, so if your calling it a pit bull, my guess is its UKC
He's a handful all right, but has a great demeanor.
From experience they are all kinda wound up until there four, tell your freind long walks and plenty of running around will help but these dogs DO NOT run out of gas, around 4 years old they tend to calm down a LOT, but still have the energy
His owner simply wants a friendly well trained obedient house pet, nothing more
Tell your freind to find a good trainer in your area, look for the class to end with a good citizenship award(simple basic training) and go, you really will not get the full experience by just reading a book, plus training in a group can help you socialize him to other dogs, and he learns that dogs can be hid freinds to, think about looking into petco, or pet supplies plus, see if they ofter classes, or look for an am staff breeder who ofters classes(they know the dog andhow to train it)If you isolate this dog, he never learns what fun other dogscan be,and your freind will never learn how fun these dogs can be, wish them good luck
And Tripp, your sasha looks xactally, i mean to a T, like my wifes bear, he was rescued from a rott shelter, took us 9 months to house break hime and ended up at about 135-140, my wife still has a hard time looking at photos of him and i miss him, never worried about my wife when i was at work, and never worried about the kids, he just love playing with them, have to wait and see, maybe another rott in the future, for the wife, i am still waiting on a staff puppy
Roger |
Tripp
| | Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 08:07 am: |
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roger, i bet bear was a cutie, it seems rotties love kids! |
Rudebike
| | Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 05:57 pm: |
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I don't know how this thread got from Cops to dogs and I ain't gonna go back and read, but I have a german shepherd/bull mastiff mix that is the most intelligent, alert, no nonsense guard dog I have had. His name is Chief, and he wears it well. |
Grndskpr
| | Posted on Saturday, March 15, 2003 - 06:46 pm: |
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You know whats funny Tripp, Blakes article states that the Rott is the dog responsiable for the most kills in the past couple of years, this leads to the conclution that again over breeding is the cause for poor dog quality, granted there is something to be said for the owner it just seems ashame that when a dog gets high on the popular pole, it becomes so inbreed for cash that it becomes a problem, Rotts have been around since Roman times when hannibal brought them over the mountains, with the elephants, however after running out of food for all the animals he had to cut some loose, so he dumps the dogs off in germany, a town called Rottweil, name has stuck since, always thought that was a cool story, never did find out how true it was, but cool none the less
Roger |
Phillyblast
| | Posted on Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 12:11 pm: |
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"None of more than 300 fatal dog attacks reviewed by Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine and The Humane Society of the US was reported to involve neutered dogs."
got this quote from the
pit bull rescue central web site. Interesting reading, and if anyone's looking for a dog they list adoptable rescue dogs on the site |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, March 17, 2003 - 12:19 am: |
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VERY good point. I'm trying to convince my friend to have Titan neutered. He does already socialize with two other dogs. Thanks for the recommendations Roger. Will recommend a good obedience class for both of 'em. |
Grndskpr
| | Posted on Monday, March 17, 2003 - 09:21 am: |
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He does already socialize with two other dogs.
Just make sure there not other dogs in the house hold, in other words if the owner has 3 dogs, the dog will not be properly socialized, he will be a member of the pack, he needs to be socialized with other dogs he does not come in contact with on a regular basis, so his pack mentality is not the only way he knows, Also if he is brought to a training class and isolated or the owner is told he is an agressive dog, and put apart from the others, leave and ask for your money back, it happened to me with a Rott, not worth the effort and you will find the training is subpar due to a lack of knowledge on the trainers part
Later
Roger |
Skully
| | Posted on Monday, March 17, 2003 - 01:10 pm: |
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Blake,
Seeing that this is a thread about experiences with cops, are you gonna tell'em about Saturday night?
Keith |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, March 17, 2003 - 01:19 pm: |
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Great advice. Yes, the two other dogs are pack mates, so the class becomes even more important. |
Phillyblast
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 11:00 am: |
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here is some info from a breeder/kennel about the "differences" between the Am Staff, Pit Bull, and Bull Terrier breeds. Found it interesting, esp. in light of the fact that my dog was adopted out as a "hound dog" mix from the Humane Society when I got her, and the vet assumes she's a lab mix, plus it shows some picks of various strains of "Pit Bull" type dogs that resemble Titan above. |
Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 06:00 pm: |
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Keith,
In a Buell forum, my uneventful traffic stop and go story would be met with... yeah so? |
Tripp
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 - 01:57 pm: |
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cool hannibal story roger! that's a bummer about the rotties having more kills but size must have a lot to do with that... |
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