| Author | Message | ||
     Eeeeek |
GAWD, this racing thing ROCKS!!! As I get faster, I feel slower! Race 3 down. Vik | ||
| Jst |
I guess hope springs eternal. Check out the opening bid on this '02 M2 with 6,200 miles on it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2407737327&category=6704 JT | ||
| Smitty |
Blake, you are partially correct. The Harleys are still selling for list plus; for example 883 Sporster for 10k. The answer is: “We had to make room for clothes”. I do understand he has bills to pay and his expected profit on Buells is low (in his opinion). It is funny and sad it also makes me angry that a dealer that is listed on the factory website has this attitude. Not good for the brand. | ||
| Court |
>>>It is funny and sad it also makes me angry that a dealer that is listed on the factory website has this attitude. Not good for the brand. And, I am sad to say, this appears to be the tip of the dealer network iceberg. Add the lame (c'mon...not ONE e-mail address or a word about Daytona)website and the self annointed ATC sub-director running around spouting off "Buell Sucks" while folks attempt to build a "class action" case against Buell hoping to sustain the argument that a single transmission failure in 10,000+ XB constitutes "inherently flawed design". I'm pretty much of a mind that going to the internet for Buell info is like digging for diamonds in the Staten Island landfill...it's there, but tough to find. Buell, in my personal opinion, is producing the best motorcycle (RS period nostalgia in check) they've ever produced and one of the best motorcycles EVER produced, bar none. My suggestion is to study your choice carefully, make an informed decision and ride and enjoy your motorcycle. Works for me.... Court | ||
| Mistaandypants |
If it's any comfort. I was at my dealer in Greensboro NC the other day and it appears that he got rid of his Kawasaki franchise which was under the same roof as his Harley store. I always thought it was cool even though I'm sure he caught a lot of flak from the Harley crowd. Anyway, putting that extra room to good use, their Buell showroom space has doubled in size (they must have had 15 Buells in there). Also, the accessories portion of the store which used to consist of a tiny rack with a few 5-year-old shirts and some dusty plug wires now has its own substantial portion of the store. It's good to see a dealer standing behind the brand like that. I hope it lasts. Now if people will just start buying them. I've only seen 2 other Buells around here in the last 3 years  | ||
| Jim_Witt |
Tim, I don’t buy that answer. To my knowledge a Buell dealership is required to have floor space specifically dedicated to display Buells, its’ accessories, and clothing. Court wrote: ... and the self annointed ATC sub-director running around spouting off "Buell Sucks" … I’ve followed the thread mentioned above thoroughly since the moment it was posted and never heard Maverick mention “Buell Sucks”. He did post (and reposted many times) that he’s “NOT ANGRY, NOT BITTER JUST VERY DISSAPOINTED IN HD/BUELL”. Cheers, -JW:>  | ||
| Court |
JW: Right you are and I eat my words. In fact after reading through the 5,000 words of woe lamenting his advise to readers to "DON"T JUST "BLINDLY" DEFEND THE BRAND LIKE I DID FOR 4 YEARS" Maverick in fact specifically states...and I quote "I have not bitched or complained nor ONCE HAVE I SAID BUELLS SUCK...and I never will" I do admit, after reading the posts again, that I was more confused than before. I've never seen a bike that had "all it's moving parts" replaced, ostensibly for no reason. I'm also confused about the way, preceeding the facts, what appears to be the single alledged transmission failure was so vehemently reported by someone who was "I was in Daytona to promote the brand, with ATC and Scott..." My PERSONAL predisposition would be to withhold, pending accurate information, any comment on a bike I'd been given by Buell (by the way, I am not certian that this was one of the "Buell deal to ATC" bikes) to "promote the brand". having been paid, both under contract and as an employee to promote Buells, I figured that pretty much gagged me. I adhere to the same PERSONAL policy with regardst to gratis bikes and R&D "not for sale" parts. Just me.... Anyway...judging by today's news..."This past week was my third and final strike for a Company" ... "I repeat..I am not Pissed at Buell. But after going through what I have gone through with these bikes..." it appears that ATC will be advertising for an "Ed McMahon" and SacBORG will gain a member. Court | ||
| Sparky |
Anybody done a 10000 mile service on their Firebolt or XB9S and was NOT sticker shocked? 5 more of these and I could buy my own Scanalyzer I wish Why is it so expensive especially if nothing needs to be replaced, excluding fuel filter of course? Gotta love those Torque Masters & Race Kit. Sparky | ||
| Blake |
Court, I too am wondering what the deal is there. There seems to be a conspicuous lack of any accurate meaningful information. Very unfortunate. The one thing I gather is that... incredibly even those appointing themselves as "promoters of Buell" can suffer the same glaring deficiencies in basic owner's manual type knowledge that cause us to harangue some dealerships. The guy tried to remove the drive belt by removing the front sprocket! I don't own an XB9 and I know that all it takes is a loosening of the axle. I asked if the owner had performed an adjustment to the primary chain. I got no reply. The whole situation is very unfortunate. I certainly don't mind hearing about it. I like you would like to hear the facts about the failure and the resolution. When trying to go for a new personal best lap time at Oak Hill Raceway, I've been speed shifting my '97 Cyclone WOT with a short chop to accomplish the clutchless upshits... 2nd-3rd-4th. The bike routinely lifts the front wheel and even sometimes when going from 3rd to 4th as I crest the hill coming into turn 2. I recently put the Cyclone back in street form and covered about 300 miles touring the East Texas countryside. It was good to wear some of the center tread off the race compound DOT tires. | ||
| Timbo |
Sparky, How much was it? If you could do the fuel filter yourself, would you not use the dealer for this service? BTW, what is Torque Masters? Timbo | ||
| Josh |
Sparky, 10k on my 99 S3T was $554 and took 2 weeks. How much was yours? | ||
| Blake |
There was another quote that surprised me...
For those like me who did not understand the use of the "(sic)" parenthetical comments often contained within quoted statements... sic (sik) adverb | ||
| Jim_Sb |
Blake, I was taught (a long while ago) that 'sic' was often used as an abbreviation for "spelling in question". In the quote above the word soul is spelled improperly (should be sole). Hence the 'sic'. I may have it all wrong of course. | ||
| Jim_Sb |
Josh, did the $554 include parts? SB HD/Buell, when asked, quoted "about the same as a Big Twin or $450" when I asked them what a 10k would cost for the S2. I doubt they've ever seen an S2 let alone worked on one... No offense, just an honest observation. I did it all myself except for the swingarm isolators (mine look great so far) and the fork oil (I'm going to order a fork compressor and have a go at that soon). | ||
| Josh |
You mean oil and filter? Yes. | ||
| Jim_Sb |
Josh, I may be mistaken but I thought you're supposed to replace the swingarm isolators, fork oil, spark plugs, engine oil & filter and primary oil. Plus inspect air filter, inspect brake pads, lube cables, etc. I'm all done except the 2 'biggies'. I'll get to them eventually. | ||
| Josh |
Replace the isolators? Nope I know they didn't do that. They did fork oil, engine oil& filter and tranny. They didn't do plugs as I'd already done them. | ||
| Blake |
Jim, I added the "(sic)" in the quote above. I stole the definition of "sic" from the dictionary. I've seen it used for instances other than misspellings. Often you'll see it used to acknowledge improper grammar or paradoxical content. I thought the author's use of "soul" instead of "sole" was as much paradoxical as it was a misspelling. heheheh. The 10K service for pre XB9 Buells includes lubrication and inspection of swingarm and steering head bearings. Replacement of rear isolators is not required, you just need to remove them to get at the swing arm bearings. Man I hate that. I cannot imagine the 1K service for the XB9's being anything significant. I know it includes a proactive reset of the TPS zero. I'd like to know how much it cost. Funny how some people like to post cryptically, forgetting to include information pertinent to the post. Way to go Buell for using sealed bearings in the swingarm and steering head of the new bikes, and for making it easier to replace the rear isolator.  Now, about that front spark plug and the short lifespan drive belt...  | ||
| Firemanjim |
Jim ,what is the spring compressor for.I have had the forks apart w/o using anything other than hand tools. | ||
| Jocklandjohn |
Blake and Jim SB - 'sic' stands for 'as it is written' when quoting someone else's words......meaning that the apparent peculiar word/spelling/syntax is not an error on the part of the person quoting but was written by the original author of the piece. Sew to speak (sic). :-) | ||
| Sparky |
Timbo, dollarwise about as much as Josh's 99 S3T. Timewise, 7.9 hours allotted and was ready the next day. That's cool. What I'm wondering about is how HD distributes the time to all the tasks involved. The two biggest chunks would probably be changing the fork oil and servicing the fuel injection. The fork labor I know involves R&R'ing & disassembling the forks. The FI labor involves, as a minimum, resetting the TPS zero and checking the other sensors for nominal condition by stepping through the Scanalyzer's diagnostics. Now if a sensor failed and engine rotation was required to gain access, engine rotation would be a big chunk of time, perhaps 2 hrs. I believe this is accounted for in the FI task. Engine rotation is not done on an X1 or S3 because those sensors are readily accessible. Anybody know how much time HD allots for Buell FI service on an XB9R/9S vs an X1/S3? Just wondering. What's buggin' me is how cheap the 96 S1 is to maintain. It's 80k mile service was a little over half of the Firebolt's. No FI, maybe that's why. Thanks, Sparky | ||
| Buellish |
Court, I would be interested in info on the adjustable S2 bars. I did my 1st track day yesterday at Jennings GP, in North Florida. http://www.jenningsgp.com/ I had a great time and the S2T did well,but I can see that I would like to lean over more.I don't think I would want to swap back and forth between S2 and S2T bars,so adjustable bars sound good. Oh yea,I had the only Buell at the track. Imagin that! Mike | ||
| Court |
Captain Pete: In the word's of the Famous Woz....."I love you, Man". I finally read your tome and now understand why we connected and communicated so easily when we met. I'd have read it the other day, but in deference to what I expected, I deferred until I had time to savor your words in one contiguous string of thoughts.....that time came today, aboard the Staten Island Ferry, as I sat next to a Asian paraplegic carefully placed atop a wooden apple crate singing Volare' as folks tossed change in a Starbuck's cup. I read better when there are no distractions. WOW...WOW...WOW...I was THERE ! For the record and lest you get caught up in thinking, like Ravi Shankar's daughter, that you're due every accolade, I DID stumble on two aeronautical principles wherein I have attempted to overcome the laws of physics, that I was tempted to correct you on, but...hey... However, that aside, you got EXTRA CREDIT for remembering what took me years and countless pneumonics to get straight.... that Vx is best ANGLE of climb (greatest altitude gain for a given distance) as opposed to Vy Best RATE of climb (greatest altitude gain for a given time). Man....you gotta to that again. There are places I've been a person could be arrested for doing what I was doing as I read that! Court | ||
| Rocketman |
Well it ain't easy being me I can tell ya  So here I am having a quick lurk, summat I don't get to do often at the mo' but there ya go, and I find myself looking for Capt Pete's latest scribblings, which I think I know where they are now so I'll go read 'em. Anyway Captain, and all my great BAD friends, nowt's up!!!!  Rocket  | ||
| Jim_Sb |
FMJ, Hand tools? I'll have to check my FSM this weekend but I'm sure it recommended using some Buell part... I checked with Race Tech and they recommend a fork spring compressor and fork seal drivers. Can you tell I've never serviced a fork before? If I can do the work with typical tools I'll gladly save the $$$... | ||
| Jim_Sb |
PS. I *hate* getting into a project and not having the necessary tools/parts to complete the job. So I buy everything up front then dig in. That's why I was thinking of ordering a spring compressor, seal driver (and maybe new seals even though mine don't leak). I hate it when the bike has to sit in the garage all apart waiting on 'stuff'. | ||
| Roc |
Jim Sb - I just serviced the forks on my S1 and I did not need a spring compressor. It took a bit of faith, the springs didn't seem to be under much tension, but I compressed the spring with one hand and removed the retaining clips with the other. I just grabbed the spring and forced it down. It would probably be an easier job with two people, particularly the assembly. I've never done fork seals, but I'm told you can use a bag and fork oil to put them over the fork -instead of the fork seal installer. I was told to use the bag that the seals came in. | ||
| Smitty |
JW : Jim that was the response I am telling the truth. They don’t carry Buell clothing that I can see and I didn’t see a single Buell sign there. I’m not trying to drag everyone down also didn’t know about the ATC comments. I’m sorry guys. I am a Buell booster. On a positive note every Harley owner I have talked to have praise for Buells. I have about 6 different Buell shirts and I intend to add many more. I don’t yet ride a Buell but I will. I still have a demo ride grin. Thanks again for all that contribute and run the best board. | ||
| Buckinfubba |
hey andy give me a call down at tilley's we have a pretty active brag thing goin on and you could meet a few folks that live up your way. we go ridin the first and third sunday of every month.be glad to meet ya and have ya along for the rides. tilley's # 704-872-3883 ask for brian | ||
| Blasterd |
Buellish, I frequent that track, since I only live about 30 minutes from there. Ken |
