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Travis
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 02:16 pm: | 
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Posted by Lurch on SacBORG
Quote:This was cut and pasted from Sporttwin chat
Admin: Ok
Admin: Fuel in frame
Admin: oil in swingarm
Admin: PERIMETER BRAKES!
LURCH: Motor?????
Admin: just what i predicted, air, 3 valves...etc...
Admin: havent seen the bike yet, just pried this out of some Buell Corp folks last night
laura203: you're so smart....
LURCH: When can you see the bike?
Admin: tomorrow am
Admin: i will have pics posted tomorrow afternoon
The rumors have been true!!!!!
Lurch
Trav |
Evltwn
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 02:26 pm: |
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Hey Travo,
Thanks for getting here before I could.
Lurch |
Leeaw
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 02:48 pm: |
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Fontx1rs,
I did not mean to stir up such emotions. His reasons are hardly stupid and I think he made a fine choice. He came from a GSXR history, but turned himself around and loves it. Frankly, he has no kids, no mortgage and can afford one. Give me my choice and I would take a Road King but I have kids to feed. Sometimes I think he is smarter than I as he is not married either, has time to ride and money for a $3,200 6-speed for his GTO.
Seriously, if bikes were like cars and you could test drive them, I am not sure what I would have right now.
The only thing I find really interesting is that he feels compelled to wear a beanie on his head due to the "look". |
Fontx1rs
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 03:07 pm: |
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Leeaw,
Didn't really mean to rant like that, something got me. Must be reading to much of Cecil's crap over on SACBorg.
I've found the best way to test ride bikes is to ride with people who own them. That way you can swap with each other and find out what you think your next bike will be. For instance, I thought my buddies VTR was a nice bike until I rode it. First 5 minutes, "Hey this is pretty nice, the engine is pretty powerful and has good torque." After 10 minutes, "These clip-ons are a little low, my wrists are really starting to hurt." Next 10 minutes, "What the hell, now my lower back and hips are starting to hurt!" Last 5 minutes, "God I can't wait to get off of this thing!"
JoeBuell
99 RaceStripe |
Jasonl
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 03:31 pm: |
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Thank you Anon. I guess we have our answer. |
Crush63
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 03:34 pm: |
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Yes im sure that the V-ROD H-D motor is heavy compared to the air cooled sportster mill but I still think it's a good fit for a Buell superbike. After examinining pictures of the VR-1000 race motor and the new motor it doesn't look like there is a very big external diference between them. The "street" version of the VR-1000 superbike only weighed 410lbs and so I don't see any reason why we couldn't get a 450lb Buell built using what seems to basicly be a EPA/DOT legal version of the VR-1000 engine. Im sure that the Ducati, Aprilla, Honda and Suzuki 1000cc DOHC H20 twins are just as heavy. |
Leeaw
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 03:50 pm: |
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Fontx1rs,
Glad I did not look at the VTR then. It was one I pondered for a moment in time. Met a cute girl who rode one though. For all the raves of the R1, my service manager road a bunch of them before they dropped Yamaha, and said he just does not like them. Makes you feel a little better about our choice. It is just like when I look at the neighbor's lawn and wish mine looked that good. But up close, it is not so great.
I see you hail from CT. Anywhere near Danbury? Always looking for more riders. |
Davegess
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 04:09 pm: |
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Crush63 "Yes im sure that the V-ROD H-D motor is heavy compared to the air cooled sportster mill "
Actually the current sportster mill is grossly overweight by sport bike standards. If the V-rod weighs more it is moving in the wrong direction. (There is a Swedish? 1000 cc liquid cooled twin that puts out 120 plus HP and weighs 150 pounds with the transmission. The sporty package has to go 250 pounds.)
As far as this being a street version of the VR motor I suspect that there is little in common between them except the v-angle. |
Fontx1rs
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 04:25 pm: |
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Leeaw,
I live in Montville, which is close to the two Indian casinos down here in southeastern CT. (So not too close to Danbury, but then again, nothing in CT is really very far away!) Would love to get together to ride some time. Only problem is, at the end of the month I start a 6 month temporary assignment in Kittery, ME for work.
JoeBuell
99 RaceStripe |
Crush63
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 06:49 pm: |
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Davegess
Wow I wasn't aware the sportster motor was so heavy. I have a old cycle world with the original article on the VR-1000 and it said the motor weighed 170 pounds. Im sure your right about the VR-1000 and the V-rod motor having no common parts. They share the same basic layout though. The cases look the same but im sure everything else has been reengineered for reliability and the blessing of the EPA. |
Warp2
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 07:05 pm: |
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found this link off Sport Twin http://www.mxzine.com/indy01/
what the......a cruiser, eesh! |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 07:41 pm: |
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The Sportster engine with swingarm mount for a Buell weighs about 215 pounds. The V-Rod engine weighs less than that, but not all that much when you count in water and radiator. Buell wants something substantially lighter, and more compact. And air-cooling allows a simpler bike. |
Fredx1
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 08:53 pm: |
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> found this link off Sport Twin
> http://www.mxzine.com/indy01/}
Ummm, Warp2 that's that Australian thing.
Hardy Hensen Hupcycle or something.
Fred |
Warp2
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 09:02 pm: |
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oops |
José_Quiñones
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 09:31 pm: |
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Known VR1000 Specs:
Engine Type: 4-stroke, water-cooled, fuel-injected, dual overhead camshafts, four-valves per cylinder, V-twin
Displacement: 60.78 cubic inches, 996cc
Bore: 3.858 inches
Stroke: 2.600 inches
Fuel Injector Type: Magnetti Marnelli
Throttle bore size: 54mm
Compression ratio: 11.:6:1
Lubricating system: Dry sump
Torque: 100 ft pounds @ 9000rpm
Horsepower: 150 @ 10,000rpm
HARLEY CALLS THE STREET VERSION THE VRSCA!
They wouldn't call it that if it didn't share "features" with the VR1000 engine.
Lets see, this new engine shares the following features with the VR1000:
H20 Cooled
60 Degrees
DOHC, four valves per head
Downdraft fuel delivery
Fuel Injection
Water pump located in same spot
Gear Primary Drive
Wet Clutch on the right side (VR1000 has dry clutch)
It certainly shares "features" if not parts with it! They are definetly "related" |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 11, 2001 - 10:16 pm: |
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some of the older VR engines had a shock mount on the bottom of the engine |
Tripper
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 12:47 am: |
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Jose; those same specs are common to the Aprilia...er Rotax engine. What's your point? They named a bike and it includes the initials VR.. I don't follow.
Lost in Kansas. Where's toto? Oh to hell wit u guys. Tomorrows gonna be interesting. |
Warp2
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 01:28 am: |
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If Rotax builds engines for Aprilia and for Harley dirt track racing and the specs for the VR1000 match, then who is really building the engines for the new Buell and Harley?
Does HD own part of Rotax or Aprilia?
Just a thought. |
Peter
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 04:12 am: |
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It looks like I'll have to stop at internet cafes to see it now.
Greece is calling me.
Ciao Dudes.
PPiA
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Hans
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 04:29 am: |
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Bon voyage Pete, Happy landings.
Hans. |
Stoef
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 06:42 am: |
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Pete,
Have a nice trip and be carefull!
Ride safe and fast...
Stoef |
José_Quiñones
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 07:20 am: |
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Tripper,
My point was to counter Court and Dave when they said that the new HD engine had very little in common/nothing to do with the VR1000.
I say they are definetly related, and HD says as much by calling it a VRSCA. |
José_Quiñones
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 08:01 am: |
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stolen from the XL-List, very interesting if true...
XL-listers:
Anyone remember the modular V-2/V-4/V-6 NOVA engine Harley had
Porsche Design build in the early 1980s? It was water-cooled, gas
tank beneath the seat, induction under the fake gas tank, twin
induction scoops (one on each side of the fake gas tank), car-type
fuel filler in the tailpiece. Only the V-4 engine prototypes were
built, according to my sources.
Harley took these engines and clothed them in at least three
prototype versions of bodywork that I saw once when I was at the
factory (musclebike, sport-tourer, and full-boat tourer versions).
All were interesting, but the musclebike was especially so. If you
saw it, your reaction would probably be the same as mine: Man, that
looks like a Yamaha V-Max!
Did Harley copy the V-Max? Actually, it seems the opposite MAY be
true. The Harley employee showing me the NOVAs said a person working
on the project had jumped ship and gone to Yamaha (the only part of
this I can't personally verify).
Before now, the only part of the NOVA that really saw the light of
day was the fairing off the sport-touring NOVA, which was grafted
onto the FXRS to create the FXRT. Ever wonder where those "cheek"
scoops on the FXRT fairing came from? Well, they were there to duct
air to the intake scoops alng each side fo the NOVA's fake gas tank.
I saw the sport-touring NOVA with this fairing, and the fairing looks
a lot better on the NOVA than on the FXRT!
Nova was cancelled because H-D didn't have the money to finish
development of both it and the Evolution engine. H-D chose the Evo
and made history.
They also made history by aking for and getting a tariff against the
Japanese motorcycle manufacturers. Then, H-D used the tariff to try
to blackmail the Japanese government into giving H-D loan garantees
to complete development of the Nova. You won't read that anywhere
else either (except in my book "H-D Evolution Motorcycles") but I can
prove it with an admission I have from H-D itself.
I don't know enough details to say yet whether the V-Rod really is an
outgrowth of the NOVA program or not, but I think there is some
connection beyond the obvious Porsche connection.
Anyone else have any details or can put me in contact with anyone who might?
Greg Field
author of the books:
"Harley-Davidson Evolution Motorcycles"
"Harley-Davidson Panheads"
"Harley-Davidson Knuckleheads"
"Moto Guzzi Big Twins"
Any anons care to coment? |
Jasonl
| | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2001 - 09:10 am: |
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Thats funny...I'd heard much the same story about the Virago. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 09:35 am: |
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It's going to be an interesting Summer and Fall. |
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