| Author | Message | ||
     Stretchman |
Looking at the bike, and trying to imagine it with R plastics, and thinking wow, that would be something. Seems pretty lame to do a new frame and not offer the R in it too? They can call it a longR... Stretch 05 XB12S (waiting for a reason?) | ||
| Indy_bueller |
I haven't heard any rumors yet, but I bet we could start one.  | ||
| Stretchman |
No, we wouldn't want to give anyone any ideas. Wonder if the front end would stay down better? Stretch 05 XB12S ( comfy at 6'4"  But could be better? | ||
| Kowpow225 |
I don't know if I'm the only one, but I sat on the new SS a few days ago only to find my knees now hit on the cutouts in the frame.(You know, behind where the frame pucks go) On my standard length 9S, no problems. I find it a little odd that this bike was made for us taller people but doesn't really fit me. Other than that it feels great. | ||
| Saintly |
I have the first working prototype:  | ||
| Johnb |
Regarding a 'LongR' swingarm, haven't heard much about it; but, there's mention in a Roadracing World article circa 2002 AMA Pro Thunder racebike (Hal’s Performance Advantage): 'Buell swingarms get the necessary modifications to accept an adjustable axle. In the future, swingarm kits will be available from Buell to make the changeover easier for Firebolt owners wanting to race.' Link to this interesting (but dated) article here: http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/scripts/Include.asp?include=../issues/sep02/thunder.htm   (Message edited by johnb on October 10, 2005) | ||
| Coolice |
I think Hal's has extended swingarms available. When I was there this spring there was a rack of them. Don't know if chain conversion was required or if a different belt. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
I promised the guys at the factory that I wouldn't do this, but what the hell, it's just a motorcycle, right? Ladies and Gentleman, I am proudly presenting the Buell 2007 XB12RL  Other changes to the model include the long awaited single over head cam engine, which, combined with the short stroke, big bore cylinders of 1350 cc, and the dual throttle bodies produces 118 hp at the rear wheel, and 80 foot pounds of torque. The weight is unchanged, but the model comes with Pirelli Diablo Tires. Hard bags similar to the ones on the Ulysses will available as an accessory in a few months after the bikes start shipping in the fall of 2006. Other modifications are improvements in the headlights, which now have dual filaments, so that both lights are on at all times. This required a new headlight design to allow for better cooling. | ||
| Snackbar64 |
Count me in, but I'm curious if all these new innovations add anything to the top speed. | ||
| Hogs |
HEy JohnB, Interesting but tell me what exhaust can is that on that bike wd. it be the Becin and If so where can I get my hands on one??? :-)) I heard it at the races and its louder than my Forceee... Interesting??? Thanks | ||
| Johnb |
 Hogs, that freeflow exhaust system on the Ciccotto/Higbee racebikes is somekind of custom one-of-a-kinder, look at those nice welds. no doubt it sounded awesome at the track, oh man Firebolt racers.. 'Exhaust gases exit via a custom stainless steel exhaust, featuring a collector pipe three-inches in diameter, located in the original, under-engine position. The Firebolt sounds great in stock trim and even better in race trim, but evidently, engine horsepower and decibels go hand-in-hand in the world of American V-Twins.' Seems that the bikes, in addition to retaining many production parts, had custom features like the swingarm (Erik didn't like the extra sheet metal), linkless rear Penske(?), custom Showa forks (Axxion valving, springs), Attack Performance triples, Vortex clip-ons, Ohlins steering damper, Nissin dual-rotor front brake system (which was switched back to ZTL for the handling advantage), forged/light Marchesini magnesium wheels for big rubber. 1348cc engine got alot of custom internals detailed in that article including large velocity stack, Pro Flow oil pump w/larger Fluidyne air-to-air oil cooler. They added air scoops and fairing cooling ducts to/from the cylinders - final bodywork was slicker than a ducati 748. 5 and 6 speed trannies, belt had to go to change gearing. Guess ya could reach out to the good people at Hal's and find out about getting one maybe! | ||
| Hogs |
Wow... Six speed I Wd. lose my belt in a sec. for a 6er...! Man that can I really think that is the Becin as the same as the guys were using here at the track this summer!!! Same outlet , same design...One mother LOUD system, I`m sure it wd. make the force how that deadens the Drummer sound Like the Becin deadens the Force sound Man they were Loudddd I likes!!!!!!!! ( okay who knows who sells the Becin and how Much?? ) Oh No Pun attened on Drummer or Force users !!! :-) (Message edited by hogs on October 09, 2005) | ||
| Slaughter |
Trust me, you do NOT want that pipe on your streetbike. All your buddies will though because it will be YOU that is getting all the attention from the black-and-whites. Unless you've heard one, you have no idea how loud it is. I have people tell me that they know exactly who is behind them and how far away I am by the sound. The track announcer even makes fun of the noise. Any track that has noise controls will not allow it. Oh and it's spelled Beson - as in Tom Beson. Innovation had it mis-spelled on their website forever so everybody spells is "Becin" You would have to weld in a port for oxy sensor as it's designed to run on racebike only with open loop controls (like the programmable factory race module) and Beson only sells to racers - though I suppose you could get one if you really tried. The Beson pipe was about $1300 a couple years ago. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
No, you DON'T want that pipe on your street bike. Dan Bilanski(Hals thunderbike rider) was at Blackhawk earlier this year with our Brag group doing instruction for us(Yeah, lucky us  ). He rode a stock 12S for following us around. But brought his thunderbike for the "advanced" sessions. He had by FAR the loudest bike on the track. Sounded awesome, but you'd get pulled over in a heartbeat on the street with that pipe. | ||
| Johnb |
 hOgS, may the fOrCe be w/ya (its loud enuf..). Recall this May thread about loud pipes, sensors & $$! - someone said Beson isn't making the pipe anymore: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/114240.html?1115929175  (Message edited by johnb on October 10, 2005) | ||
| Xlcr |
Sounds great Jon! The only problem I have with believing it is the very tight security that Harley and Buell run, and the extreme unlikelyhood that they would allow you to access or post that information. | ||
| Dana P. |
The Ciccotto bike is not a one off it is a Beson.The brake was not switched back because of better handling.It was what the factory wanted.Its brake system used.They were actually chewing brakes up pretty bad to the tune of just about every race with the ZTL system. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Steve, Surely you don't mean that you think I make the whole thing up, and that the photo is nothing more than a slick Photochop? Now why would any red blooded, streetfighting, dyed in the wool Buelligan do a silly thing like that? | ||
| Indy_bueller |
I'll bet the powder-coated red wheels are good for another 5 MPH all by themselves. | ||
| Johnb |
 psssst hey jon.., we're itchin for more 'spyshots' of the headlight/fairing & shortstroke bigbore c'mon 007! (erik wants ta see em too!)  | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Sorry -No can do Jon. I was lucky enough to smuggle this one photo out while Eric was in Europe. The security at Buell is totally awesome, as everyone knows. Can't risk compromising my sources. I know you will understand. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
 OK. This is absolutely the very last one of these I can post. This is the 2007 XB12RL in Black. I like it better than the red. | ||
| Tork |
The red bike pic looks photoshop'd. Two of the rear wheel spokes are still gold. | ||
| Jeremyh |
yeah and look at that massive rear sprocket on the red one that looks sort of oblong FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Blackbelt |
Yeah if a long R came out i think i would trade up my X1, and yes .. come on Jon.. why don't ya catch those little misses.. lol RELAX | ||
| Buellin_ri |
Are those dual filament headlights? Maybe even a bi-xenon option?  Better lighting would be a great addition to the 07 firebolt. Maybe Gentleman_Jon can pencil that one in too.  (Message edited by buellin_Ri on October 12, 2005) | ||
| Johnb |
Dana P., i wonder if a DUAL ZTL rotor/caliper system up front would've/could've been feasible as applied to the demands on a buell racebike - probably too heavy or adversely affect handling due to centrifugal forces maybe. wish i was an engineer and could do the mathematical physics.  | ||
| Lovematt |
Now a Dual ZTL would not help unsprung weight any...but the braking force would be so high I would wonder about the rest of the front end (and the tire) taking that kind of decel on a consistent basis... |
