| Author | Message | ||
     Mbohmann |
I'm looking at an XB12S with the factory race kit installed by Hals. I'd really prefer a stocker and the seller doesn't have the original parts. I'm going to call Hals in the AM to see if they have some stock stuff around. Driving the bike at 4000rpm max., I could not feel any difference. What exactly does the race kit do? Does anyone know where I could find a dyno chart showing the difference between the race kit and stock? Would I be happy with the race kit bike as a daily driver? | ||
| Dana P. |
Mike it has some gains.Some you may not feel seat of the pants but on top you should feel.Anyways I'd like to invite you to one of are Brag club meetings in Racine.Also Hals has a group.Both great clubs and we do things quite a bit together.You interested?? | ||
| Koz5150 |
The race kit will not effect your drivability at all. Unless the exhaust is to loud for you, it would be in your best intrest to keep the race kit on. To go back to stock may cost you over $500 between the cost of the muffler, TPS reset, and instalation. IIf you decide later that you still want to change it I would suggest finding someone here with a stock set up that would trade with you (I am sure there are many here that would do that) and then just have Hals do the TPS Reset for you. | ||
| Dana P. |
Koz he doesn't need to reset TPS with a stock ECM if Hals has one laying around.Just plug it in and done.The muffler is easy to install yourself as long as the cables have not been cut off when the race kit was installed. | ||
| Metalstorm |
If he can get the stock ecm that came with the bike he won't need a tps reset. If it's just "any" stock ecm, as in "was not on the bike originally", or if it was reset on a different bike, I think he would most definitely need to reset the tps. I have been known to be wrong a good many times but I'm pretty sure about this. | ||
| Tomd |
Hi, I would stick with the race kit since it's already on there. The sound is better. It's a little snappier and it runs harder up to the limiter. Besides, with the louder sound, I get a lot more double takes and confused looks at lights. Tom | ||
| Rageonthedl |
Here is the dyno of my bike Stock Vs. Race Kit, its been on from day one and i now have 19,000 miles  | ||
| Dana P. |
If it is stock ECM off another bike that means it was already set so it should be fine.If he buys a brand new one it may need to be reset. (Message edited by bads1 on August 01, 2005) | ||
| Rageonthedl |
i would reset it no matter what, things change thats why reset it at the 1,000 service. | ||
| Metalstorm |
Dana, It would be already set, but it'd be set to the other bike wouldn't it. I figured there would be differences from bike to bike. I dunno, *shrugs* you know more about this than I do. I'll take your word for it. | ||
| Dana P. |
I know what your saying but the reset shouldn't move should it??So it the ecm that you are zeroing out not the bike its self I'd think.I've seen this done with X1's and no problems at all.A brand new one though hasn't learned anything though soa reset should be performed I'd think. | ||
| Mbohmann |
Wow! Answers to all my questions. And fast! You guys are awesome, thanks. The dyno chart is great. I just wanted to make sure there was no loss of power on the low end with the race kit. The noise level seems pretty close to stock, so no problem there. Just have to see what kind of deal I can make on this unit. Will post results. | ||
| Starter |
Not even the Buell advertising info has a comparison graph as good as that one. | ||
| Cmm213 |
Why are you not taking the bike past 4000rpm is what I want to know?? I think you should keep it on there, hell if you bought it that way it would be stupid to pay someone to take the power away that it already has | ||
| Metalstorm |
Good point Dana. I think I'm starting to see the light.  Rage, is that dyno before the head work? | ||
| Rageonthedl |
yep, look at my post of Race Vs. Drum to see the other dynos | ||
| Tq_freak |
I would deffently keep the race kit, I mean why not, the dyno graphs dont lie and u cant say no to more power. side note, I very badly want to put a race kit on my 12s, but i dont know how the new muffler sounds. is it really deep. i have heard buells with a pipe described as 1/4 of a big block chevy, is this acurate? | ||
| Mbohmann |
A follow-up question for the techies: the dyno chart shows no loss on the low end, but the race muffler doesn't have the interactive function. I would expect to see some kind of change just because of the difference in construction. How does the race kit muffler deliver the same low and mid-range as the interactive? Re the 4000 rpm question: I was just test driving the bike and didn't have enough room to take it to redline. Also not having much time in type, as the aircraft guys say, I didn't want to over-extend myself on an unfamilar machine. I'm sure it would be a case of "you break it, you bought it". Not a good negotiating position. Re the sound level: again not being real familiar with these bikes, it didn't seem any louder than a stocker. Just a throaty "rump-rump-rump" at idle and a smooth purr going through the gears. No bark like a V+H on an X1. Rode without a helmet (not my usual MO), got more wind noise than exhaust. | ||
| Norrisperformance |
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| Norrisperformance |
With the race kit you gain some top end but you also loose some bottom. As you can see in the dyno above. The Drummer keeps most of that bottom and adds to the midrange and top. Stock 04 XB12R Race ecm TFI K&N Stock air box  | ||
| Madsx |
DRRRRRRRUUUUUUMMMMMMMMEEEEEERRRRRRRRR  | ||
| Dana P. |
GOT4S!!!! | ||
| Kds1 |
I think M1 runs the Force..... Kevin www.kdfab.com | ||
| Tq_freak |
Drummer? sorry for the stupid questions im a newbie I most likely know what they are but just a different name | ||
| Norrisperformance |
Check out the site www.kdfab.com | ||
| Madsx |
Its a great mod to the stock pipe. Got it on this past week and I still cant believe it. The bark it gives when I goose it to down shift is....is..... dare I say music. I hear that sound in my sleep. Kevin does a great job. | ||
| Rageonthedl |
I am workin on a home made pipe...it prolly wont be a big power maker but it will be cool lookin | ||
| Tq_freak |
The drummer looks freakn awsome....deffently going to go that route. I really like the sound and how it retains the lift point. thanx Kds1 and norrisperformance. Willie | ||
| Kds1 |
Tq_freak, You're Welcome!!!!!!! Kevin www.kdfab.com | ||
| Daves |
Mb, Could I interest you in a trip to Appleton?  I have a brand new 04 XB12S for sale.(I bought it from a dealer getting out of Buell) Then we can put any mods you want on it. Dana, I'm pretty sure if you grab a stock ecm off another bike, you will need the TPS reset. Every bike is a little different. |
