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Illfixit
Posted on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 10:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

to be honest thee first time i look at the blue one in the local harley dealer my jaw dropped and decided right then i had to have one. i havent had a chance to ride one yet and if i did ride one i fear i might soil myself. what im gettin to is i would like to know what yall think is good and bad bout them. i have only heard bad things about them from squids. what is a good price for a new one. ive heard that they like to pull wheelies, take tight tight corners, and will beat bout any thing from stop light to stop light.
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Spiderman
Posted on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

dont listen to squids, thats why there squids, i know when who said all kinds of bad things about my M2 and Buells in genral. I asked him if he ever rode one. He said yes, I asked him which one. He said i dont know. Then i asked him was it a twin or single, and he didnt know. That alone is the mentality of a squid. i love my M2 i wish there were a few things that were differnt (like Lighting cams, and rear sets) <but thats what makes an M2 an M2. Also gives you something to do over the winter. As for wheelie happy it is that but it is useable power so only if you are WFO or dropping the clutch will it lift but a good 1/4 twist will give you ample not wheeling power. As for price 02= around 9Gs used depending on how old 7Gs or lower and also if it has race kit, goodies, etc. The only bad thing i can really say about my M2 is the warm up time on cold days cause of the carb. But other than that all around awsome, friendly, ASS KICKIN BIKE
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Illfixit
Posted on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 10:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

so it would match the warm up time of my friends 883. the more posts i read the more convinced i get.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 02:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You should be able to do better than list for a new 2001, The 2002's might go for list, but you should be able to deal on those too. Very nice used M2's can be had for $5K-$6K.
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Gcpoland
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just bought a 2002 M2 in NH for $8145. People tell me I could have got it cheaper if I wanted to travel a bit but I liked the dealer and am lazy.

Gary
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Raymaines
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've got a Y2K - M2 and just love it.

That said, I don't know that I could justify or recommend it on any logical or rational basis. It's a tad expensive, the performance isn't up to metric standards, it's not 100% reliable, and it's sold and serviced by dealers that aren’t overly sympathetic.

Would I buy another one? You darn right I would! The first time I saw one I fell in love and after I test rode one I was in LUST! Now just over a year and a half and 15,000 miles later I love it more than ever. It fits me like a glove, and I think that’s the secret of a positive ownership experience.

Ride all types of bikes from as many manufactures as you can and then test ride the M2. At that point you should know if it’s the bike for you or not.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Spidy's "I want to install a Blast auto enrichener on my M2" thread has moved to the KV's "Engine - Carburation..." page. :)

Oh, and Spidy will receive a fine of three patches for his off topic indescretions.
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Spiderman
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

patches we dont need no stinkin patches

sorryyyyyy blake just a little suggestion to our new friens here also to show him the multitude of things he can do with his M2 i'm sure a fellow M2 owner would understand
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

muhahahahhaha... Don't even make me sic Court after you! Well, I guess you get a reprieve since we ain't got any patches. Will soon though... muuuuhahahahahaahha!
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Court
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Spiderman
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

as soon as you do get patches i want one
Illfixit= one thing you havent mentioned what other bikes are you looking at this way it'll give all of us something to compare the M2 to
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Illfixit
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

um im a pretty loyal honda man but to be honest im tired of looking at insects on wheels. but heres a list of bikes:
honda VTR1000f (super hawk)
honda nighthawk 750
suzuki DL1000
suzuki Katana 750
suzuki Bandit 1200s
basically anything naked and under 10000.
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Oldman
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

it's alot cooler when a guy on a katana pulls up and comments on what a cool bike you got(m2l-grey/orange) or a diehard ironhead rider pulls alongside in his van to ask what you think about them, have had nothing but great remarks.
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Spiderman
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 11:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

well the buell has them all baet off the line but it is like apples and oranges cause they will all get you in the top end with the exception of the Canatuna 750 (if you bike is tuned properly or even better race kitted up.
Buell is a good light to light racer and handels better than all in the curves plus the powerband is so great you are not constantly gearing up or down to find the power. Today on my M2 i whoped the hell out of a gsxr 750 Jockey shifting it cause my toe peg fell off. But as soon as he would get up to like 70 or so ( i was slowwing down being on the street and all) he would then fly by like it mattered any more.
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Newfie_Buell
Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 12:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Spidey,

I can do the same thing on my S1, its so much fun to see the rice burners suffer like that.

Don't buy a M2 lookk for a good S1 and if you can't find one then get the M2.

Bill
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Illfixit
Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 12:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

no s1 plez, i need this for long rides. also i dont give flip about top end. around here they are really avid bout throwin you in jail. i dont reall care after 90 mph. i want gut squishin acceleration, i like my cars the same way.
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Spiderman
Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 12:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nice one newfie jockey shifting too? Dont blame ya illfixit like they say 150 mile gas tank 10mile seat
love the S1 and S2 the first bike i fell head over heals in love with. deffinatly the way to go if you want balls to the wall acceleration. Kinda the reason i got an M2 looked like an over weight S1
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Ken01mp
Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 01:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i can attest to the gsx-r 750 beating. a bud of mine has one that was dynoed at 115 rwp. i can beat him pretty bad to 80, but after that, im dead in the water. we were just in Panama City and did a lot of racing. every time we would race from stoplights, i would beat the hell out of him in front of hundreds of people . that, and i was doing wheelies that put him and everyone on a rocket to shame. . not that im a traitor or anything, but Illfixit, if you want naked and fast, the FZ1 is hard to beat. yzf-r1 motor, decammed for more torque, 130 hp, less aggressive seating, that is, if you like that crotch rocket high rev power. to me, its no contest, its a man thing, the buell is the only way to go. that deep, throaty rumble, instant neck snapping power at any rmp, Tough American styling. its an American muscle car fighting Mitsubishi Eclipses and Honda Civics. it turns more heads, sounds cooler, handles better, and stands out in a crowd more. plus, chicks dig the throb at ilde. . ive had both, a crotch rocket and a buell, as have a lot of these guys. what does that tell you? they HAD ricers, but HAVE Buells. purhcase only if you are worthy.

Ken
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Bullitt
Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 03:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here's a thought, fix: Buy what YOU like instead of worrying about what anyone else thinks! If you buy any given bike with impressing someone else in mind, prepare to be disappointed with it. You already know in your gut whether the M2 is it or not.
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Blacksix
Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bullitt is dead on.
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Crazymike
Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 06:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Let me give you a perspective from a person who bought an M2 for all the wrong reasons.
I LOVE IT!!!
It gets decent mileage (52-55) at any speed you want to run.
Its comfortable.
Maintence is fast and simple.
Performance wise it has more umph than I need and corners better than I can. Will pass through 8000 miles tomorrow with very few problems.
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Newfie_Buell
Posted on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 11:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Last June when I bought the S1 I had a choice fromt he dealer of a 1998 S1 or a 1998 M2 both bikes were listed new at $9,999.00 Canadian or about $6,300 american dollars. I chose the S1 and have not looked back. Best thing was that both bikes were sitting on the floor since 1998.

If I could I would also have an M2 to park next to the S1.

Still don't answer your question, but my opinion is any Buell is better than NO Buell
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Dueller
Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I bought a used 97 M2 last year in April....cosmetically dinged but mechanically sound; ten days later bought a pristine '98 S1. Have less than $10K in the two. I'm partail to the older style look (small seats, minimal body work). The bikes are very different while maintaining the same Buell unique personality. The S1 is more visceral/ the M2 more practical; i.e., one is tautly suspended, room for one; the M2 more upright seating, room for a friend, easier on the butt for occasional touring. I love the M2 for its versatility, I lust over the S1 for its raw appeal...like having a wonderful wife and an exotic mistress. If I could own only one it'd have to be the M2 with a few more performance mods because I do like to tour...matter of fact I'm planning a loop of the Baja peninsula on the deuce this fall (see Quick Board). As far as reliability I've logged over 15K miles the past 12 mos with nary a problem save for a shorted kickstand switch. Go for the M2 initially....prices are good on "new" older models on the showroom floor but save some coin and buy one someone else is selling....its a buyer's market right now.
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Msetta
Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Illfixit,

I have an 99M2, I loved it from the first time I sat on it. I would reccomend the bike with a few points though. You should include with the purchase price or the amount you intend to spend a pipe upgrade (V&H or WhiteBro's or whatever, just not the stock) and a carb rejetting (K&N filter in the standard breadbox). Those two are pretty much mandatory. Things that you will probably want to get shortly there after - the race ignition and a new airbox (race kit or forcewinder). I have the pipe and the K&N, and I want to add the ignition and the new airbox, it is just a matter of time and money.

Off the line acceleration? No problem, the M2's wheelie with a pull of the throttle. They are also comfortable in both seating and ride position, and have a great 2-up seat compared to most sportbikes I have seen. At then end of the day buy what you like, just be aware that once yout try the M2, it will be hard not to want it.

The Setta
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Blake
Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Unless you rev beyond 6200 rpm regularly, the race ignition module doesn't bring anything to the party. See the dyno testing results from the Team Elves dynomometer (thanks Aaron!).
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Raymaines
Posted on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 08:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The stock ignition unit starts a "soft" redline at 6,300 (Blake says 6,200 and he's usually right but I still think it's 6,300) and won't spark at all after 6,800 rpm. The race ignition has the EXACT same spark curve up to the 6,300 (6,200?) mark and continues on to the 6,800 rpm mark and then stops all at once. Depending on you riding style it (the race ignition) might not be worth very much performance to you.

Spend your race ignition money on heated hand grips or something shiny.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 12:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ray, I wouldn't even call the timing curve difference a "soft redline". It is not even noticeable other than a few HP at over 6300 rpm on a dyno. Just don't want to confuse Setta. Both modules (stock and race) have their redlines at 6800. I agree, unless you are actually racing, the race module is not very much bang for the buck.
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Msetta
Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanx for the info. I remember reading that a long time ago...among some of Aaron's other tests like some kind of valve that was supposed to help performance but he tested it and it did nothing and then he got into a big long debate with the manufacturer...

The Setta
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Illfixit
Posted on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 11:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

now i got a few questions
first on my honda i can shift with out the clutch when i drag my friend and can i do that on that harley tranny.
second can that motor take me hitting the red line, like i dont have to worry bout blowin the thing up like my buddies 883

thanks for all the inputs once i find out bout a job ill know for sure
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 12:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Upshifts sans clutch are okay. Downshifts sans clutch will hurt your tranny.

You can hit redline no problem. I do it maybe once every time I ride. I've done two track days and a couple rides in with some maniacs in NJ/PA that had me constantly bumping the limiter. Had her torn down for Nallinization after 13K miles; everything was just fine.
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Whatever
Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This says it all. Finally got to ride for real last night (made it past the breakin) and this is going to be big fun this summer. Eighty degrees in northern Wisconsin in April, I love it!

Charlotte
M2L 2002
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