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Nevar
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When I "jerk" the handlebars back and forth, the XB9S feels like it *could* go into a tank-slapping wobble. It hasn't yet but it definitely feels a little squirrelly when I do this. My other bikes don't react like this (CBR929RR, MG LeMans, Ducati ST4S).

Now let me say that the XB9S has NEVER done this on its own and feels quite solid up to 100 mph.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Tim
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Pa_xb9sx
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes I have had this experience on my XB9SX. Check out this post. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/111043.html?1114656645
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Joele
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yup, short wheel base and wind buffeting cause the same thing on my XB9SX - I added as much static sag in the back as possible in order to increase the rake angle but it still gets a little squirrelly at 90+.
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Mrvvrroomm
Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2005 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Loosen your grip on the bars bro. And do NOT jerk the bars when it's moving. Why would one do this?
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Nevar
Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 12:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Loosen your grip on the bars bro. And do NOT jerk the bars when it's moving. Why would one do this?

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I've owned 32 motorcycles and I've always used this method to *test* the bikes propensity to wobble. I don't do it hard (I'm not completely daft!) - very gently. There have only been a couple of these that felt like the XB9S and they were light dual-sports at highway speeds.

I just don't want it to happen while passing a semi on a windy day at 80 mph and hit a bump in the road at the same time I encounter the bow-wave of the truck.

This link (provided above) puts my mind at ease..

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/111043.html?1114656645

Tim

(Message edited by nevar on May 15, 2005)
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Vonsliek
Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 01:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

from my empirical data - sounds smart, eh?! ;p - i can definitely say:

maybe too low front end .. maybe too much preload on rear?

wind buffetting is high on buells if sitting too upright ..

maybe front wheel unbalanced?

steep rake & short w/b & extreme buffetting - ie: while passing trucks - can make it a rough pass, but having ridden bmx bicycles for a few years, i can say its more the rake-w/b thing.

ducatis are more lay ON the bike .. maybe park yer further back on bike.

i am definitely thinking of adjustable rearsets for the buell xb.

i'd like lower slightly downward-angles clip-ons too.

while i'm at it, why not just get a ducati or jap??!! ; )
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Dcmortalcoil
Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 02:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Short wheel base and steep head angle. It was purposely designed to have a quick interaction. That's the nature of the design of XB.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 08:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I only notice it when my tire pressure is wrong...
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Ingemar
Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 09:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I you wanna be safe install a steering damper. I installed one after getting too close to a tank slapper and a high sider.
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Nevar
Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 02:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Short wheel base and steep head angle. It was purposely designed to have a quick interaction. That's the nature of the design of XB.

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I really believe this is the reason. Just something to keep in mind while riding....

Tim
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 06:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

First time I rode an XB I gave it a quick waggle of the handle bars prior to entering a set of tight twisties. The thing reacted so much more quickly and precisely compared to my Cyclone that it flung my feet off the pegs. Scared the crap out of me for a split second. The XBs flat out handle and turn better than any other bike I've ever ridden before. Jerking on the handlebars on an XB is not a good idea. Suggest saving the jerking action for other less risky situations. : )

I doubt there's a sport bike made that at the right combination of speed, tire pressure, suspension settings, and rider input will not suffer the instigation of a front end instability/wobble.

It is a motorcycle not a minivan.
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