| Author | Message | ||
     Olinxb12r |
I don't know if any of you guys would be interested in one of these, but I thought I would post it up just in case. I've tried to find something better than those frame pucks for a while, and this is the first time that I've came across anything that looks like it would really help. Here is the site. http://www.powersbikeworx.com/CrashBars.html I think that I'll probably try to get one of these sometime this year, but I'm a little short on cash right now. If anybody picks one of these up let me know how it works out. Later. | ||
| Scitz |
I bought the LSL frame sliders and like them a lot. http://www.spieglerusa.com/cfm/FrameSliders.cfm here is a pic with the frame sliders from their gallery:  | ||
| M1combat |
I still think those frame (engine??) sliders will damage the bike... I think you'll end up replacing the head if you drop it to the right or the primary cover if you drop it to the left. I think the best solution so far are the front/rear axle sliders from American Sport Bike, the bar end sliders from that pic and the Buell frame pucks. I've watched the frame pucks slide through dirt from less than 15' away. NO damage at all to the frame. If you're stunting though... Yeah, get the crash bar thingies... | ||
| Scitz |
I agree M1combat but Think any engine damage would be cheaper to repair than to replace the frame (cost of frame and title transfer). I just don't know if I can trust the adhesive to hold up to a slide on pavement. I think about the rubber stops that are on the bottom of computer equipment and laptops and how easily they fall off after time. Also what about the possibility of a hard impact to the ground causing the frame to dent in if the rubber of the puck can’t take the impact. I think the safest thing for us who are paranoid is to add as much protection as possible. I also want to add Carbon frame protectors but have to save the money. I would still keep the LSL sliders to then protect my carbon fiber. Has anyone else seen this on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10064&item=453 5220025&rd=1 | ||
| M1combat |
I agree with protecting everything as much as possible... But I think THOSE sliders will cause damage. I don't think the Buell sliders will tear off as long as they are mounted after you clean the tank well. The adhesive is VERY sticky. They are not rubber. They are some sort of teflon/plastic. They're very slippery. As I said, I've watched someone go down and slide off the road right in front of me. They slid off the road just as I was going by before I got on the brakes. The sliders dug into the dirt/gravel and didn't seem to have budged at all. The gravel didn't really even damage the sliders much at all. I can assure you though, that the sliders on that bike would have dug into the dirt (as opposed to acting like a ramp to keep the bike from digging in) and would have caused some serious damage to the bike. As it was, no damage to the frame. Just a broken shift lever and maybe some bent shift forks. The bike ended up locked in third or fourth, but still very ridable. There's too much leverage in that slider. Either it would break, causing the frame to touch ground, or the head would break causing both a broken head AND the frame to touch the ground. On the other side, you are looking at either the slider breaking and folding back into the primary case or breaking entirely off (again, too much leverage). Either case would cause the frame to touch, one would have the added benefit of damaging your primary cover. The frame pucks work and have been proven to work a few times by members of this board. They're also a LOT less expensive to start with... Your call  . | ||
| Scitz |
I wish there was some crash data or experiences with the LSL sliders. I agree with what your saying. Great protection especially for the cost. I just have a hard time with the look of the pucks. I guess the main thing is to just be careful and not wreck. Frame protection was my first investment after purchasing the bike. If your on a budget I would definitely purchase the Pucks until you can find something better. I keep thinking about designing my own sliders that are more like the LSL but don’t bolt to the engine. Here is a link to another manufacture of frame sliders that appear to bolt to the frame: http://www.satoracing.com/xb9rframeslider.htm | ||
| Scitz |
Here is another example that runs under the forks in front of the engine: http://www.rg-racing.com/sports-bike-protectors/buell-crash-protectors/buell-fra me-sliders.html | ||
| Scitz |
Olionxb12r, when you first posted the link I didn't see the pics of the Buell's at first. Looking at the pics if you plan on doing any trick riding I would definitely purchase the crash bar. My LSL sliders ended up costing $200 after I purchased everything. I may have to think about this crash bar now. I would like to know how much it weighs. It's also funny to see that they are also using the pucks, twice as much protection. | ||
| Captainplanet |
Someone on this board has crashed with the lsl sliders. I remember seeing a photo of it a while back. I think it was a pretty light crash though. | ||
| M1combat |
"I agree with what your saying. Great protection especially for the cost." Personally... I think the Buell frame pucks are the best protection for ANY cost. Carbon covers will be ground through a LOT quicker than the pucks. As far as impact, I think the pucks win again. They are not solid. I think the absolute best frame protection would be had by adding frame pucks to carbon frame covers (see BadS1's bike as I recall). Those Sato sliders will almost certainly break as well. The bolts that hold them on are too small and again... too much leverage. The other ones from RG-Racing... They mount in the same place as the LSL's... The other stuff... American Sport Bike axle sliders and whatever bar end sliders you want. I think that the LSL sliders and the others would work "ok" IF you had full bodywork and the body work was cut in such a way that they would keep most of the torque from being transferred to the mounting location. I think if one were to whack all of these solutions with a sledge hammer swung from front to back... ALL of the solutions except the Buell pucks would break or cause damage to the engine. The frame pucks IMO would hold up and have next to no damage. I think the damage you did see would be confined to the pucks themselves and it would only be cosmetic. Again... It's your bike. Axle sliders Bar ends Buell frame pucks Those LSL axle sliders look pretty effective... The LSL bar ends look effective. I don't like the frame sliders at all. | ||
| Scitz |
Here is a thread showing damage from the Sato Racing sliders: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/76376.html | ||
| Scitz |
Carbon Fiber Slider damage: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/53780.html | ||
| M1combat |
And do you think that the LSL sliders (aside from the bar-end and swingarm) will hold up any better than the Sato's? I believe that the Buell frame pucks will hold up just as well as those carbon covers and if the speed is increased a good deal, I think they will hold up better. | ||
| Scitz |
After looking at these pics I have my doubts. I don't like the pucks because my frame is silver and the pucks are black. While searching I found where some people painted their pucks and they look a lot better when they match the frame. I also like some of the CF covers for the pucks. I think I'm now sold on the pucks and I also like the cage Olinxb12r posted. I do think the LSL would hold up better than the Sato because it has a larger mounting surface. | ||
| Olinxb12r |
I think I'll probably still get the cage, but I might look into the pucks to protect the frame as far cosmetics go. I think that as the bike tilted passed the cage it would scratch and dent the crap out of the frame, but the pucks would give the frame something to slide on. It seems to me from the pics that the swingarm sliders is probably a good buy because every wrecked XB that I've ever seen has that same damage by the rear axle. Thanks for all of the feedback! Framesliders are tough to come by on these bikes since the frame has gas in it and the bikes are nakid. | ||
| Glitch |
I like the CB and Puck combo. | ||
| Dukeoftank |
Yeah the pucks are definitely the safest bet. On a side note does anyone know where to get the bellypan/chin fairing that is shown on the picture that Scitz posted? | ||
| Al_lighton |
I sell Sato, and I sell LSL, and I won't carry either of their sliders. Not worth it. I don't believe they will protect the frame and engine more than their potential to harm same, so I would be ineffective selling them anyway. Front motor mounts have always been a bit of a soft spot on Buells, tube and XB alike, and folks want to mount things to transfer impact to there? I don't think so.... And the mount on the primary cover bolts with a 4 inch lever arm? Jeez, I'd rather have a scratched outer cover than the bolts ripped out of my cases. And to mount sliders to those small frame tabs on the front of the gas tank, er, frame? That seems like an accident waiting to happen. The Buell pucks work, I've seen pictures and bikes that went down with them and they are TOUGH. I took the American Sport Bike pucks off the market when the Buell pucks came out. In fact, I just recently took them off the shop bike (what a PITA that was, they are very tenaciously mounted) and am putting the Buell pucks on it. It's much easier to sell things you believe in. Al | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
The Buell frame pucks WORK!!! I just saw a Buell picked up after a 60mph HIGHSIDE that tossed the rider 128ft. The pucks are torn up, but still attached and kept the frame from being dented. Busted forks and swingarm though. No I can't get pics, but damn I wish I could cause it would certainly be very good advertising for the pucks. | ||
| Black_sunshine |
If you don't like the plastic puck you can always get some CF sliders to go over them. I believe Al is working on some as we speak. I made a set for myself 'cause I was going for the CF look and didn't want the plastic showing. Either way the pucks work and will save your frame without denting it. My bike fell of the lift in my garage and fell right on the puck. Not a scratch.   | ||
| Daves |
Pucks are the way to go! Darkhorse moto sliders on the swingarm and forks(of course I sell these too) | ||
| Pcmodeler |
Man, those carbon pucks are perfect. I haven't picked up regular pucks yet because I really wasn't crazy about the way they looked but that carbon cover of the top of them looks great, especially with the other carbon parts. I've got several carbon items on my black XB9R as well, so it actually looks really similar to yours with the exception of no carbon scoop yet. | ||
| Black_sunshine |
Thanks Pc...it has taken me close to a year but I have managed to replace all of my Plastic bits with CF I fabricated. Its amazing how much that plastic stuff weights when you have it all piled together. I bet I shaved off close to 8lbs. | ||
| Ilikehotchicks |
i emailed jeff scnider "sp?" Pro stunt rider for buell / harley I asked him what he uses to protect his frame. He told me that the Cage From http://www.powersbikeworx.com/CrashBars.html and the frame pucks in combination do the trick. Im going to save up and get the cage. Also He told me that you need an after market exhaust like a jardine to fit the cage on there. Just a heads up Ben | ||
| Glitch |
Hey B_S, why is your primary case so dirty?  | ||
| Black_sunshine |
Guess my OCD was in check that day?  | ||
| Bbstacker |
I've got the carbon scoop and the carbon oil cooler cover. The carbon frame sliders would make the whole look gel. Where do I get 'em? | ||
| Reepicheep |
This was in one of the storm fronts, but I thought I would post the pic here for anyone doubting how good the frame sliders work.  Rider doing OK, frame virtually perfect, slider could not have worked better. |
