| Author | Message | ||
     Crusty |
OK; so I want a Black Lightning to set up as a sport tourer. So I went over to Pirelli's web site and they tell me I can't put Angel GTs on my bike; I have to use Diablo Rosso IIs. Why or why not? I ran Diablo Stradas on my Uly XT and really liked them and I ran Angel GTs on my Guzzi Norge and loved them. Why can't I put GTs on a Black Lightning? | ||
| 1313 |
Why can't I put GTs on a Black Lightning? Don't know why you couldn't. I got them on my 1190RX... WHAT, you say?!?! Sport touring tires on a race bike? Well, I don't know about all these people who whine that EBR only makes race bikes. My 1190RX has mirrors, turn signals, a speedometer, a head light, a tail/brake light and even a flippin' horn. I'll be, and honest-to-goodness DOT legal STREET bike - from EBR. Sure, I could turn it into a race bike relatively easily if I were so inclined. But I'm not! I'm a street rider, not a racer. Well, unless you call accelerating to beat traffic when the stoplight turned green this afternoon racing, then I guess I would be guilty of being a racer. Besides I was on my XB12XT, and since that's an adventure touring bike, there's no way it can be a race bike. So, there, I'm NOT a racer! WHEW! Sorry, I got off track and had to vent. Not at you John as you, obviously, 'get it'. To get back on topic, it'll be interesting to hear from those who know more why I can't do what I've already done... 1313 | ||
| Froggy |
Their site has always done that, not sure if they are just trying to steer you to a tire similar the OEM equipped, but they have made similar suggestions on the XBs. Angels are going on my SX soon. | ||
| Hughlysses |
John- did you make a deposit on one yet? | ||
| Crusty |
Not yet. I was told that they probably wouldn't be available until March or so by a little birdie. That gives me a little time to save a little more money and also pay down the plastic a bit before I jump in and go deeper into hock. | ||
| Damnut |
John I would hold off on that purchase as a little birdy told me that a new EBR model was coming out early next year. Also to be patient, the AX is coming. | ||
| Damnut |
For tires, don't dismiss a set of Michelin Pilot Road 4's. They work very well on my S3T. | ||
| Hughlysses |
I'm tempted to put a deposit on one myself. If you put $500 down before January 1, 2017, you get a $500 discount on the price of the bike. According to the webpage, bikes will be available about April 2017. It's very tempting, but it's tempting to wait and see what else is coming. Decisions, decisions. (Message edited by Hughlysses on December 19, 2016) | ||
| Crusty |
While I believe that there will be a "Sport-Touring" variant eventually, there are a few reasons to not wait. First, if everybody waits until the exact model they're lusting for is released, EBR will go under for lack of sales. Next, the "Little Bird" who mentioned Spring when the Black Lightning is available is someone I trust. Third, the Black Lightning spoke to me like no other bike has in a long while. Now, it makes sense to wait until next fall if a Sport Touring variant is coming, but The Black Lightning is close. I could probably jury rig up a set of mounts for hard bags, but the engineers at either the factory or at the bag manufacturers could do a better job. The thing is that I don't know what's in the pipeline. And what if the "Sport Tourer" appeals to others, but misses the mark for me? Back in 98, the magazines had lists of things the S1 needed to improve it as a motorcycle. Buell released the X1, which addressed all the complaints, and it wasn't as much fun as the S1 was. (this is not a put down on the X; it's a great bike, but it's not an S1) And while I love the idea of a Sport Tourer, Erik doesn't. At least I think he doesn't; I could be wrong. Now one other factor for me is money. I'm still farther in debt to Capital One than I like, and I really want to get that paid down a bit before I take out a loan to buy a bike. So, I want to buy a Black Lightning, but I also want to wait a couple of months so that my credit card balance has been lowered a bit. I'm in that place where I'm juggling between wanting to pay off my Plastic and wanting to get the bike I'm stuck on. While I could save $500 by putting a deposit down now, I think it would be best if I wait until Spring. Now; after I get the bike and wear out the OEM tires, I'll probably put a set of Angel GTs on it. I was just wondering why Pirelli says they won't fit. Even though they're the same size as the Diablo Rosso 2s. | ||
| Damnut |
Now, it makes sense to wait until next fall if a Sport Touring variant is coming Little birdy says the new bike will be debuted about the same time as the BL becomes available. | ||
| Anonymous |
Little birdie is on drugs if tweeting that a tour model is debuting soon. Black Lightning with accessory bags is as close as you'll get for a while. | ||
| Damnut |
Anonymous.......... that's not what was said, only that a new model was coming soon. Thanks for confirming that it won't be the AX though.  | ||
| Crusty |
A Black Lightning with hard bags sounds pretty sweet to me! Now, I just have to get the windscreen and hand guards and heated grips when they become available. Then send my four pieces of bodywork to Vern for a nice red paint job (I saw a new Jeep painted the perfect shade of red on my way to Buellvemberfest). Then, all I have to do is plot my route towards the Arctic Circle... | ||
| Damnut |
Here's one of your problems solved. $117 +the ride from Sweden. http://ebutik.nccr.se/ebr-erik-buell-racing-1/ebr-comfort/ebr-1190-sx-adjustable-high-screen-kit  | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ Nice LED driving lights, too. | ||
| Two_seasons |
Don't know if it's a concern for you, but my new Pirelli's are made in China | ||
| Crusty |
Do they work as well as the Pirellis made in Italy? | ||
| Two_seasons |
Not mounted, so don't know. For the 1125r. Had I known that they were not made in Italy I would have passed on them and ordered Dunlops. Edit...Purchased from American Motorcycle Tire dot com  (Message edited by two_seasons on December 24, 2016) | ||
| Ebrfan |
My last set of stock Pirelli for the bike were labeled China as well, from Revzilla and shipped from two different warehouses across the country from each other. I too would have made another choice for assured quality, and to support a smaller economy at the very least. | ||
| Vintage |
Crusty and all, This tire thing is driving me crazy. Just for the record, I put a set of Angels(not Chinese) on the 1190RX. I am into them over 10K and they are just now looking shabby. That is 30% over what I get from other brands. They did everything great and no I don't ride on the track. So now I learn that Pirelli has gone to the Chinese -- bye bye is all I can say. I was going to put Angels on all 3 Buells this Spring but not now. Basically I wouldn't be able to trust them. I do ride pretty hard. Most of the Chinese stuff I have experienced is always missing something in the quality department. ( iPhones are not Motorcycle tires and I trust Chinese porcelain) Not to go too far down a dark road but I think it is a result of years of heavy communism. Personal responsibility is not encouraged in that system. PR is what is essential to achieve excellence. So hello Pilot 4's--I guess. BTW -- does it strike anyone as odd that there is no American Motorcycle tire manufacture? Good riding in 2017 to all Vintage | ||
| Crusty |
Dunlops are made in Buffalo, NY | ||
| Vintage |
Crusty, That is what I like about this place--Live and learn. Thanks for that and I will look into it. If I recall correctly, Dunlops were the original hard center tire. Vintage | ||
| Vintage |
FYI --just been reading about Dunlop tires in Buffalo. Older article -- www.sportrider.com/dunlop-factory-tour-rubber-plan t Amazing really what goes into a bike tire. I will not complain about tire pricing again. Also note that the final assembly is done by a real person taking personal responsiblity | ||
| Robertl |
Not to hijack a tire thread but I believe the screen above is the same as this one which has been available for several years: http://www.twistedthrottle.com/mra-racingscreen-rn b-universal-motorcycle-windshield-clear-smoke-or-a ll-black | ||
| Ourdee |
The Rosso 2s stick a lot better than the Angel GTs. I am back on GTs on Lil Red. I missed the 2s a few times under hard acceleration on corners when the GTs broke loose where the 2s stuck. With the 600 mile slab round trips to Indy I would have a flatter center stripe if the Rosso 2s were still on it. I get twice the distance out of Angel GTs. The tires have different structures inside. Even the Rosso 2s have ducati tires and non Duck tires in the same size. Duck tire for agility. Non Duck tire for handling. Read Pirelli's PDF on tires and pay attention to the VERSION and IP CODES. Compare the notes lower on the pages. It is more than rim size, there are differences inside the rubber. Know what IP CODE the internet tire is that you are buying. I would write an email to EBR asking their reasons for using and not using the tires in question. I doubt it was based on price point. | ||
| Ourdee |
Little birdie is on drugs if tweeting that a tour model is debuting soon. Black Lightning with accessory bags is as close as you'll get for a while.Yes, that is funny. Care to talk about tires? =] | ||
| Ourdee |
Now about something that has been nagging at me ever since I went to an SCG from the XT. That lower bike will cost you in it's ability to soak up bumps if like the SCG the Black Lightning gave up suspension travel to have a lower seat height. I am a short fellow and like being able to move my SCG without having to dismount every time I back it into a parking spot. But that XT could soak up train tracks mid corner while on the gas. I have to raise my rear end off the seat and ride like a jockey on the SCG. I have been wanting to say something about that for a while. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Ourdee- see thread I started on just that subject here: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/713 493/799408.html?1483071002 | ||
| Ourdee |
Hugh, I saw it right after I posted above. I didn't want to repost it over there and sound like I was hating. It has nagged at me though. The word I should have used to describe the ride is harsh. | ||
| Vintage |
All, Didn't feel too swift yesterday so spent the day stoking the fire and reading about motorcycle tires. The best words seem to aim at buying some Metzler Roadtec 01 so that is the plan X 3 bikes.(1190 RX, Uly and Ss) Just a stray thought but over the years people have( to me ) put street bikes forth as an economy measure--, however,insurance can be brutal, fuel mileage is about the same as a Chevette and tire costs are anywhere from 6 -10cents /mile. We don't ride to save money that is for sure-- | ||
| Ourdee |
Economy bikes? That would have been my Honda 550four. $300 and just add gas for years. If you want an economy bike, you need a smaller displacement machine. The wear and tear is cheaper. My TW200 was dirt cheap and 100 mpg while yard selling in the summer. Not a highway bike though. Skinnier wheels and tires would have helped. | ||
| Crusty |
Why can't I put GTs on a Black Lightning? Don't know why you couldn't. I got them on my 1190RX... That's good enough for me. When I get my SX, it will be getting a pair of GTs when the stock tires wear out. The original question was for informational purposes only. I'm sure the Diablo Rosso 2s will stick better than Angel GTs, but I'm also pretty sure they'll wear out a lot faster. I'm going to use the bike for day to day commuting (I don't even own a car) and long distance riding (hopefully to the Arctic Ocean). I won't be doing any track days with the GTs, and I won't be pushing the cornering capabilities of the bike while I'm riding North through the Yukon Territory. How much is the Joy of Riding worth? (Message edited by Crusty on January 02, 2017) | ||
| Ourdee |
How much is the Joy of Riding worth? Priceless. It takes me back in time and lets me get lost in the moment. The colder the ride the less pain I feel. The hotter the ride the sweeter the shade and iced tea. John, For you, I believe any tire that fits would be OK. You know to respect the power and tire limits. My concern would be for a clown like me that would open it up just to see what I can get away with. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Chevette? I had a '77 and sold it in '85 or so, so it was too long ago to remember what the gas mileage was. Loved it, drove it to Daytona several times from Chicago with a buddy and an open trailer with two bikes. | ||
| Ebrfan |
^^^ Chevette: a four cylinder that was essentially the famed 327cid, just cut on half. Same bore, same stroke. Guys would deck the heads, port and polish the runners, put a big carb and headers on them and they would just scream! | ||
| Ducbsa |
I don't know, mine was 1600cc or 96 ci. Double that is only 192 ci, a ways from 327? (Message edited by ducbsa on January 04, 2017) | ||
| Reepicheep |
I had two Chevettes in high school and college. They were unremarkable, and not as good a Honda of that era (what was?). But they were dirt cheap and incredibly tough little cars. They never really worked well or right, but they also never totally died either. They would just keep going, getting worse and worse, but never quite dying... | ||
| Hughlysses |
Since we're totally OT now, I'll chime in. I remember back in the 1980's, a local Chevy dealer was offering 4-cylinder Chevettes and Citations for the same low price. A co-worker of mine was looking at both cars and trying to decide. He finally wound up buying the Chevette. At the time, I thought he'd made a big mistake since the Citation was "modern" with then-new front-wheel-drive, and it was a significantly larger car. Of course, 10 years later his Chevette was still kicking while low-mileage Citations were falling apart and rusting to bits. | ||
| 86bgn |
In my opinion this is one ugly windscreen, and I pray that EBR comes up with something that looks way better on the SX  | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ That reminds me of this:  EBR already has a different one, but it's not yet available:  |
