| Author | Message | ||
     Rick_fears |
For those of you that havn't seen this yet or havn't had the opportunity to see beneath the fairings, Cool stuff. Could come in handy for you RX owners. http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodList.as p?idCategory=2803 | ||
| Wymaen |
That is ultra bad-ass. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Wow! I see a LOT of late nights and long weekends drawn there. Congratulations Elves, one heck of an achievement. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Sweet! I think that fixes one of the major complaints of new Buell owners: no on-line parts listings.  | ||
| D_adams |
Just need the service manuals and I'll be set.  | ||
| Court |
>>>> I think that fixes one of the major complaints of new Buell owners: no on-line parts listings. I alluded . . . about 26 months ago . . . that we should expect a much different delivery method for parts, service and general company interface. Expect something akin to a youtube database of every procedure. | ||
| Classax |
Just need the service manuals and I'll be set. +1 | ||
| Hughlysses |
This (unsurprisingly) seems like a very smart move on their part. I'll bet that for all the guys that bought OEM parts to modify their Buells, there were a lot more that never did because they didn't want to spend ~$50 on a parts book or have to make a trip to the dealer just to see what was available. I'm sure there are more than a few 1125 owners looking at the files and scratching their heads over what parts from the 1190 they can adapt to fit their bikes and orders will be placed soon. More money in EBR's pocket. | ||
| Satori |
That is very cool. I did notice however that there is no exploded engine view with all the internals/ transmission. Seems like that will be a need by some that race the bike. | ||
| Court |
I doubt you'll find ANY parts that work on an 1125. I could be wrong but I'd use great caution. I suspect that EBR Owners can be expecting a very new and incredible experience. I'd not sell the books, I'd sell (to registered owners) access to that would allow point and click ordering and have a system that matched an owners VIN against the appropriate iteration of the parts book. In other words, if you have VIN 000376 and you are registered on the owner system it knows that you need the 8mm, not the 6mm bolt to attach a certain item . . that your bike preceded the size change, That would be a huge improvement in the "old" system" in which an owner had a bike and no access to information from running changes during a model run. Just a guess . . . . we'll see how they do it. But it's a whole new day and a new company and the ability to collect, store and mangoes information is light years beyond what it was in 2009. | ||
| Rick_fears |
"I'm sure there are more than a few 1125 owners looking at the files and scratching their heads over what parts from the 1190 they can adapt to fit their bikes and orders will be placed soon. More money in EBR's pocket." LOL. Exactly what I was doing when I found this  | ||
| Froggy |
Court, EBR already confirmed the tires will retrofit | ||
| Jdugger |
> I doubt you'll find ANY parts that work on an 1125. > I could be wrong but I'd use great caution. You are definitely wrong. | ||
| Court |
>>>You are definitely wrong. Very well aware of that. But I am also very well aware that they are two distinctly different products, made by two distinctly different companies that are, beyond our sentimental feelings, legally unrelated and that two different companies own the intellectual property rights to the various parts. I am also, call me a stickler for detail, aware that someone (well aware that you are a skilled, experienced and knowledgable racer who knows and understands the inherent risk of "adapting" parts to your use) may buy an 1190 part, slap it on their 1125, experience a problem and pint fingers. This could range from a fitness for purpose or merchantability issue under the Uniform Commercial Code all the way to a liability issue in a tort proceeding. There is no representation (and I am ONLY GUESSING here), on the part of EBR, that 1190 parts can or may be used on 1125. Call it a hunch. | ||
| Hughlysses |
You are definitely wrong. Based on posted photos, I'm sure there are Badwebbers that could successfully install 1190 parts on a Rokon.   | ||
| Reepicheep |
And imagine if you got service bulletins specific to your particular VIN right to your email, instead of having to go find your dealer, beg them to let you in on their secrets, and hope they (1) bothered to pay attention to them and (2) can communicate them to you coherently. | ||
| Jdugger |
Court, There are parts that will bolt up directly, with no modification at all, and will work substantially the same on the 1125r as they do the 1190. Some examples of parts falling into this category would be the front brake caliper, rotor, rotor hardware, rear brake caliper, rear master cyl, and so on. There's dozens of them that would work, this is just an example off the top of my head. There are parts that would only work once you made some other changes to the bike. For example, the front wheel would work after a bearing and spacer change. Or, the chain adjusters and other parts would work after you also put the new swing arm on the bike. These are the kinds of parts that I would say someone like myself that's experience with the platform would know to "order the collection of required bits" and be able to use them effectively as intended. And, there are parts that either require significant adaptation or just plain don't work well at all. The new subframe would fall into that category. The bolts sort of line up, but it then doesn't fit well with the old air box cover, you have to massively modify the stock wiring harness and relocate bits, and so on. Because the motor in the 1190 and 1125 share essentially identical external geometries, a lot of the parts that depend on those mount points work surprisingly well, and in fact, available race parts are now commonly adopted 1190 bits. I get where you are coming from trying to draw a line in the sand between EBR and Buell. And, I agree. Different companies. But to suggest there's not even pretty good parts compatibility between the bikes is just completely wrong. | ||
| Court |
>>>Different companies. With ZERO liability. i.e. - if you buy an 1190 wheel, put it on an 1125R, have a fatal and your heirs bring and action against EBR it fails. I understand the "compatibility" you are talking about. But many, in fact MOST, folks are drawing many inaccurate parallels between Buell Motorcycle Company and EBR. | ||
| Jdugger |
For what it's worth, with the right bearings, axle and spacers, most rear wheels across sport motorcycles are interchangeable. The same is true of front wheels, too, excluding the Buell and EBR, of course, because of the brake. | ||
| Stevel |
Court, I can appreciate your point of view here, but I also see huge aftermarket 1125 upgrade potential using 1190 parts. I suspect there was some non-compete clause when Erik left HD. I don't know the extent of this, but I would suspect it would include selling replacement 1125 parts, even if they are the same. However, selling upgrades would likely be allowable. Further, as much as I like the 1125, the design suffered HD oversight and bad design choices occurred and because of its short life, corrections were not made. In fact proper product development never took place. | ||
| Ourdee |
I know enough to walk away from this thread. | ||
| Firstbuell |
I had NO idea that 1190RX parts would fit on my tuber M2 ! please send me a tube of EBR drive belt lube & 2 quarts of AMSOIL XL motor coolant thanx | ||
| Classax |
Well just casually looking through the drawing I notice quite a bit of the hardware and fasteners still use the old BMC/HD part designators in front of the .xxxxx part numbers. That should make it a bit easier. | ||
| Fast1075 |
Telling a fabricator it can't be done is simply throwing down the gauntlet. | ||
| Ratbuell |
...and I believe Court's point was the difference between a fabricator...and someone who simply wants to bolt on a replacement piece. | ||
| Jdugger |
> ...and I believe Court's point was the difference between a fabricator... > and someone who simply wants to bolt on a replacement piece. Sure, I can see that. And, I can assure you large numbers (many dozens) of parts from an EBR 1190RX will bolt right up to an 1125r without issue, and work exactly as intended. Some of them are the SAME part, presumably sourced from the same vendors. There's even some XB legacy in a few of these parts, as evidenced by a handful of SAE fasteners (!) on the RS and RX. | ||
| Stevel |
Anytime anybody modifies a vehicle, the responsibility for the mod is owned by the modifier, not OEM. In point of fact, modification of a vehicle voids warrantees in most cases. There are three areas on the 1125 that really need help. Electrical system, heat management and the engine. I see immediate help in the RX with the heat issue. The RX shows a very well thought out design, which is very adaptable to the 1125, but not without varying degrees of modification on the 1125's owner's part. This adaptation will not be simple or inexpensive, but it will be less expensive than reinventing the wheel making all the parts yourself. | ||
| Anonymous |
Guys, there is a lot of information on the internet that is wrong, and this thread is a perfect example. There are very few parts that could be interchanged without other work. "Rear wheels on any superbike will exchange with just spacers" is wildly incorrect, as is assuming an EBR wheel will bolt on a Buell. Assuming Buell and EBR part numbers are the same because the first part of the number in front of the dot is the same, just with a different suffix is also wildly incorrect. For example an L0100.*** is a frame heading number for a Buell Blast, a Buell S1, a Buell XB12 and an EBR. The P/N difference is in the suffix. Still think they are interchangeable? The first part of the number just identifies what type of a part it is. The last part identifies what is different! There are guys out there who can properly fabricate adapters and modify parts to fit, and make the right engineering judgment calls, but it is a very, very small minority. Buying something that looks the same without knowing materials, tolerances, etc. is a recipe for disaster. | ||
| Classax |
The first part of the number just identifies what type of a part it is. The last part identifies what is different! Whoa slow down there 'Anonymous' we are aware the parts are different, specs and possibly materials. Having similar part number prefixes helps get us in the ball park of the part type and function is all. I don't think anyone thinks its as simple as swap this for that. Even the fasteners will have different specs for failure points. It's like you said "There are guys out there who can properly fabricate adapters and modify parts to fit, and make the right engineering judgment calls..," Some of those guys are looking at what MAY be possible. No one has, heck I don't think we even can, placed any orders yet. Thanks for monitoring the forum by the way. Good work and GO EBR! | ||
| Court |
Well . . . someone agrees with me pretty much word for word. Buy the way, that is not me posting anonymously . . . But it's worth rereading. | ||
| Jdugger |
Anony, > "Rear wheels on any superbike will exchange with just spacers" is wildly incorrect, That's not the correct quote. The actual quote -- I wrote it -- was: > For what it's worth, with the right bearings, axle and spacers, > most rear wheels across sport motorcycles are interchangeable Which is true. If you look at today's aftermarket wheel manufacturers, including March, CZ and in particular PVM, the wheel itself is the same across all models. What's not the same is the bolt on to the hubs for sprocket and rotor carriers, the spacers between the bearings, and of course the bearings themselves, accounting for different axle lengths and diameters. The EBR and Buell bikes have notably wider swing arms than most japanese models -- a fact I'm sure you know -- so that's different. But, the PVM on my Gixxer 600 is absolutely 100% identical to the PVM on my 1125-now-1190 except for the hub attachments for the rotor and drive sprocket carrier. Now that spiffy new EBR rear wheel introduces some new aspects I'm not personally familiar with because of the hubless design. I've not had the chance to work with one yet so I don't know that much about it. But, if you would like to see an XB rear wheel working perfectly on an 1190, I can send you a picture. It needs spacers and bearings, but otherwise fits right up... quite perfectly I might add. | ||
| Fast1075 |
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| Blake |
Careful with the beryllium. | ||
| Ourdee |
I knew it was coming.....  | ||
| Jdugger |
> Careful with the beryllium. Sigh... Oh Jesus, save us all. No, I've never been to an AMA race where someone took an interesting picture of what's clearly a drive bushing not made of steel, and I've certainly never been to Germantown, WI. BTW: This is your picture, not mine.  And since there seems to be some doubt: An XB wheel on an 1190 swing arm (not my bike, but a fellow Texan Buell rider):  And, even more humorously, here is a nice reference on the EBR web site using the new 1190 based swing arm conversion kit!  | ||
| Jdugger |
No, I'm completely full of shit regarding the fit of up parts sold by EBR right now. | ||
| Blake |
That had to be the easiest troll ever. We only poke at our friends JD. | ||
| Jdugger |
So much love. | ||
| Ourdee |
Is it safe to come back yet? | ||
| Pmjolly |
Wow......... |
