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     Smoke |
busa-heavyweight sport tourer-i don't think i could keep my license. tim | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Sgtbuell |
Ingemar To be honest I was never a big fan of the Hayabusa until a co-worker and friend of mine got one. His was the 03'Hayabusa 40th anniversary edition. That copper metal flake paint job blew me away. After he let me sit on it I was never quite the same. By far the most comfortably Japanese sportbike that I have ever straddled. You see with a 6'2" 210lb frame I have never found any Japanese sport bike even remotely comfortable. It didn't take long for me to reevaluate the way I used to look at the busa before. Since the bike was always at the shop parked next to my M2. The bikes looked good parked next to each other. Not saying I will pick one up any time soon. Well you just tend to have a lot of time here in Iraq to think about shid like this. Blake Damn man I didn't think this post would get any one rilled up. Keep it up though. Always like a spirited discussion. Good reading. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Court |
Irrelevant. Remember when I said that? The Speed makes no difference. This, in my book, is akin to Ed McMahon coming to my door and telling me I won the space shuttle. It's faster, accelerates wowily and exceeds all early things in any metrics. It just has nothing *I USE*. I'll likely spend part of today (please keep this quiet as the SCU, along with all of Wall Street is working late, and I am supposed to be setting up for a shindig here) in New Jersey on the Buell City Smasher. My bet is Stephen will come along. His bike is quite capable of approaching 200MPH. He bought the gorgeous silver/blue 'Busa and proceeded to dump about $7K in it. Guess what? With the exception of the straight heading past Bedminster, I'll own his butt the entire day. He's a far better rider than I, has a couple times the horsepower, but his bike was intended to be a high speed tourer. It does that supremely. Arguing about speed on motorcycles begs comparisons to arguing about breast sizes of womens in that typcially the arugee and arguor are revelaing much more than the subject content of themselves. To my own constructionmindedeasily entertainedself speed in excess of a certain level, perhaps somewhere in the 120MPH range, is (to steal an aviation quote) as useless as runway behind you and altitude above you. As to the R1 and 'Busa argument, gosh that's simple. I've got this 'Busa here, Dyna's got his R1, perhaps we just pull the two up to Hal's plop down a couple $20 and tell them to run'em. We could do that ol thing where the lowest power coughs up one large to the air fence. My point is, the R1 is a great bike for it's intended purpose. The Hayabusa is a great bike for it's intended purpose. Both excel in their own roles. But, guess what boys and girls, as much fun as those roles are to talk about (like Cowboys and Indians to kids or what I'd do with Angelie Jolie for a night)their "provide" curve never intersects my "need" curve. Yeah....today I'll come home with an ear-to-ear grin after riding the CityX. I'll be able to look back on the thrill or seeing, doing and riding some gorgeous back roads. Stephen will get to tell someone "I went $170MPH on I-287". Speed is irrelevant. Court P.S. - Sharper minds among you will recall the photo of Stephen that appeared in Battle2win receiving the BattleTrax trophy from Jerry Wilke and Erik Buell. Problem was, he was supposed to be at work that day and the photo seems to have ended up on the wrong desk in NYC. Well, "technically" he was sick  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise)  |
My point is, the R1 is a great bike for it's intended purpose. The Hayabusa is a great bike for it's intended purpose. Both excel in their own roles Exactly. Are you contending that the weight of the Hyabusa will influence its peak speed? Nope, but it will influence the amount of time it takes to get there. And everyone knows that unless you are racing Bonneville or a similar venue that the ultimate top speed is irrelevant for anything except bragging rights. Its in the stoplight gran prixs around town that you have the fun  It really does kill you that a Busa is faster than an R1. Wrong ole wise one, I really could care less. Havent even topped my bike out & dont know if I ever will, it could go 230 mph & it wouldnt make a difference because im never going to see it. Could have bought a Busa if I wanted one...the wife loves em & wants one...but I think they are hideous. I will take quickness, lightweight & sexy looks over an extra couple miles an hr top speed any day. Quarter mile times are more important to me though, with zx12r times closer to 9 secs than to 10 with an exit speed nearing 150mph. The lowest I've seen for a busa was 9.6secs, but the rest is over 10secs. I don't think I've seen exit speeds over 145 mph for the busa. Ingemar, yup the Busa is a portly pig. Sure it can be pumped up to be even faster but its still nothing more than putting a dress on a pig. The ZX12R, ZX10R, R1 & Gixxer 1000 are all into the 9's with the ZX10R & the R1 having the fastest exit speeds at 147+mph. I posted that video a week or 2 ago of that stock ZX10R with nothing more than the front end tied down & was running 9.3-9.4 in the qtr. Course that guy know how to launch a bike pretty damn well also. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Court |
This pretty much says it all for me......  This R6 rider saw the Buell logo on the F-250 last night pulled me over and asked "do you know something about Buells"? "Why ...yes, yes I do" Had no idea what he was stumbling in to. I'm going to take him for a lesson in what a REAL motorcycle should feel like today. I told him I'd give him the chance to see how a motorcycle, not designed simply to entertain speed lusting juvenettes, was meant to handle. I love for this stuff! Court | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Knee sliders in New York city...gotta love it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| U4euh |
Court- be interesting to know the outcome of that lesson! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Sgtbuell |
Court I get that all the time over here. When I am not in my DCUs I usually have my Buell watch cap on with my PT gear. I guess it still surprises me how many people do not know about Buells. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Aesquire  |
What gets me, is not which insane machine is faster, or quicker, ( subjects I have some fascination for ) but that Buell riders seem to see a "Busa as a touring bike! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Court |
>>>Buell riders seem to see a "Busa as a touring bike! So do the Hayabusa riders. The Hayabusa, though suited to multiple roles, is kinda the F/A multi-role fighter of motorcycles. The wheelie boyz in the Bronx are drawn to them for their sheer power....neato. Kinda like being drawn to Charlize Theron for her brains. The folks who rack up serious riding time on the 'Busa's however see them as much more. My partner commutes every day of the year. (Sidebar for new riders among us: he also is a skilled enough rider to KNOW to leave his bike the other day when we had hurricane conditions suddently hit NYC, take the bus home and back the next day. - there is a lesson to be learned there. This guy is one SMART rider) He alternates, among his 7 bikes, between the Hayabusa and the DRZ400; each provides it's own sort of enjoyment. For any of you thinking of becoming real "combat riders" this year, he's rigged up a shower in his back yard. When he gets home, he walks right under it. The streets of NYC are covered with >1/2" of salt. It permeates helmet vents, jacket vents, boots and every part of a motorcycle. He gets showered, the helmet (he bought 10 matching AGV's) get dunked and put on the drying rack to be rotated. There is more to COMBAT riding than just getting on a motorcycle daily. By the way, the Hayabusa won't be seeing much service in this weather simply due to the difficulty in cleaning it. But when he goes for LONG road trips, it's elegantly suited to the role. For me, I have no interest in the Hayabusa and have yet to have any problems taking a ride, say from Waugh's in Orange, VA to Jerry Johnson's in Oceanside, CA, on the Buell. But...hey, that's just me. I've warned ya'll before....trying to catagorize motorcycles into "good" and "bad" is a fool's pursuit. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ray_maines  |
"I've warned ya'll before....trying to catagorize motorcycles into "good" and "bad" is a fool's pursuit." Right on, Mr. Canfield, Right on! I think the funnest thing about all this R1 (or anything else) vs. Hayabusa (or anything else) talk is that anybody really cares. Faster is alway better I suppose, that's why we ride big motorcycles rather than a small motor scooters, but... If it's important to you that a 130 lb. professional rider can nudge an example of your bike through a quarter mile a few 10th's of a second faster than some other 130 lb. professional rider can push an example of some other bike through a quarter mile then you're not dealing well with reality and should seek professional help. God bless the guys on their R1s and God bless the other guys on their Hayabusas, but please don't tell me that +/- .3 or .4 seconds in a ten second quarter mile or that +/- 5 mph top speed in the 180 range is of any real importance to you. You're just not being honest with yourself. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
As the ego speaks (a collection of strangely self contradictory quotations)...
Wow. For someone who "couldn't care less" about top speed, you sure have a lot to say about it. Here's the honest facts: A six year old Hayabusa is capable of 190+ mph which is faster than ANY other stock production motorcycle, period. Sorry. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
That achievement in a stock motorcycle is truly impressive from a technical point of view. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
I meant to also post the following...
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| M1combat  |
"I posted that video a week or 2 ago of that stock ZX10R with nothing more than the front end tied down & was running 9.3-9.4 in the qtr." Keep it straight Dyna. That bike was GEARED, LOWERED and had a FULL YOSHI PIPE...  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ingemar  |
Blake, those numbers are AGED, but correct. Yes the busa ruled at that time. Times have changed however. What am I arguing anyway? I couldn't care less!  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
M1, I dont recall anything about it being geared differently but its possible. Still impressive tho. Busa..still ugly. Glad its fast that way I dont have to look at it long Took my bike out for a 50 mile ride today, my head is still spinning a bit from the combination of the 30 mph winds out of the west & since I hadnt ridden in almost 2 months its easy to forget just how fast you can hit 130. Decided to call it a day tho when I pulled away from 1 stoplight & at about 40mph twisted the throttle & instead of the front end going up, the rear end decided to go sideways in a big ole burnout. Cold pavement sucks, takes all the fun outta riding. Happy New Year Blake. See ya next month on the web. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| M1combat |
It's right at the end of the video. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Doughnut  |
Busas are for touring, right?  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Sgtbuell |
USAA insurance considers Hayabusa as a sport tourer. Go figure. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Snail |
Wow, how'd I miss this one? Must have been over on the Labusa board hanging with the perverts and racists. I have been riding Hayabusas since my first one in '00, which was totaled when I was tailended, while touring B.C. So much for going fast. I was crashd, stopped. I put nearly 10K miles on that bike, and really enjoyed it. Most of the miles were touring, many on gravel and unimproved roads. I covered Oregon, California, Idaho, Montanna, and Washinton with that bike. After my leg healed, and I got the ins. settlement, I replaced the '00 with an '02 SE Busa, and have 10K miles on the '02, mostly tourning miles, (add B.C. and the San Juan Islands to the places I took the Busa.) Last summer I used it regularly to commute from Oregon to SF California where I was keeping my boat. I had a ball learning to split lanes in SF traffic, using the Chase Harp. saddle bags for 'feelers'. My favorite day was when I dragged a cast iron frying pan handle the full length of a Lexus that was trying to block me from lane splitting. Perturbed the drive some. I still own and ride a '99 S-3, which gives me a good basis for comparing the rides. The s-3 shakes like a dog shitting peach seeds, is unreliable, won't pack much weight, has bad brakes, handles badly, and is low on power. Other than that its a great bike. The Busa is easy to ride, comfortable, quiet, smooth, relaiable, powerfull, good brakes, and handles good. It even handles good on gravel all crossed up. It handles good on rutted fire roads too. The suspension is much better on the Busa than the Buell. A fifty dollar TRE will derestrict the Busa. I have fitted my Busa with Gen-Mar bar risers, Chase Harp. saddle bags, (big ones) and a custom seat. Comparing the R-1 to a Busa isn't really fair. Compare the R-1 to a Gix 1K. If Blake would give me a refresher course on how to post pics I'd show you the goods. Happy New Year. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
Cut and paste the following then post and post and upload a pic less than 60KB in file size and less than 700 x 800 pixels in physical dimensions... \image{Snail's Busa Pic} When I rode your S3 I thought it handled a bit rudely too. I think your suspension needs much adjusting. Didn't notice the shaking other than at idle. Did notice the Busa was imperceptibly smooth. Figure that statement out.  Happy New Year wild man! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Firemanjim  |
Paul--pics posted thus. backslash \ followed with no spaces by the word image followed by{description} or just look under the Badweb menu for Cool Buell pics and it tells you how. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Whats wrong with this pic??? Who can figure it out first? Well 2nd since I already know.  Happy 2005 everyone. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Court |
I know. But then, I did it. We'll see how sharp eyes are. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Clydeglide  |
Shouldn't he be riding an "ahamaY"?  (Message edited by Clydeglide on January 01, 2005) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| SouthernMarine  |
It's photoshopped in the mirror. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Court |
Actually, it was simply flipped 180o in MS photo editor. I did this to make the Yamaha legible to the dyslexically challenged. It looks funny to me cause the "Buell" is on the driver side of the truck. It gets lots of interesting looks. Have fun, off to ride. Court | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Team  |
I bought a Copper Busa when they first came out in the spring 0f '99. Before that I Had a Yamaha R1. The Power,Acceleration, and Speed Was insane for the Year(99) Beating the Top Speed Bike By almost 20mph,Having more than 20 more HP than any other bike that year and was the first (stock) production bike to break into the 9's. The Hayabusa Was a Freak! In 2001 I put a MCExpress Turbo on it. Because I was already getting use to the power. 300+HP is a God Smack! I have had the bike over 200MPH and It is a Superbly engineered machine. The aerodynamics are awesome. You feel just as stable at 200 as you do at 50. The biggest difference in The new litre Bikes and the Busa is which one would feel more comfortable on at 180mph+? The one that was egineered to go fast? or a motorcycle that trims every bolt,fender,frame etc... For weight savings so it can go through a chicane better? My old Busa (35,000mi.)and XB Have been my favorite rides. The Busa Is a fantastic Bike. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Snail |
Can't. Tried for an hour, all I get is 'formatting error' Stupid computer. |
