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Tripp


Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 02:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

omg, i've been trying for hours to install a new graphics card with no luck!
i have a pent 3 compaq presario 5000 w/windows ME
my computer has a weird non removable stock graphics card, intel graphics controller so right there i can't follow the instructions for the new card a pny technologies nvidia verto dual display 3d graphics card 128mb ddr g-force fx 5500 pci
so, not being able to remove the stock graphics controller i moved on to step two- device manager and removed the intel graphics from device manager then i shut it off, installed the new card and bam! only sixteen colors i have now and if i go to settings i get rundll32 has caused an error in nvdisp.drv.rundl32 and will now close~! bah!!
when i restart the computer it shows the geforce as being installed on that first black screen at start up but immediately reinstalls the damb intel graphics controller so when i go into device manager it shows 2 display adapters i've installed the damb drivers a million times and tried to find the drivers for the intel graphics in add remove programs and there are no drivers there for the intell controller.
anybody know what i should do?
i need this graphics card installed so i can play raven shield, rogue spear is boring already and my wife uninstalled raven from her computer cause it took up to much space and she don't play it so i had to get a new graphics card..
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Mutt2jeff


Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

yeah, i would have to say that you need to pick up a new computer if you want to play raven shield.

You might try going into your devise manager and disabling the intel card, then running over to administrator tools and disable it in their too, thats probably what is starting the intel card up again.
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Tripp


Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thanks i will try that!
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Blackbelt


Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

you need to go into your CMOS (motherboard controller) usually mentioned right at boot up and there is a prompt to either hit DEL or some F# button to enter Setup... DO THAT! you need to disable the graphics card from that screen. If it is a hard wired card (part of the mother board) then that is the only way to turn it off. same w/ a intergrated sound card.... if you want to replace that down the road.... that is precicly why i build my own systems... easier and don't have to mess w/ that crap..

hope that helps...
adam
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Reepicheep


Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What Blackbelt said. You have to turn it off in the CMOS setup, which all happens before the operating system boots. It is possible (though I have never seen it) that there could be a jumper on your motherboard as well.

Also, AGP will give you significantly better performance then PCI. Without AGP, much of the potential of that card does not come into play (unless it is PCI express, which yours isn't). It won't hurt things though.

Finally, consider dropping the $79 and ditching windows ME for XP Home. It is a far far far better operating system.
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Josh_


Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

pls post the model # for the compaq.

When you get into BIOS(CMOS) you may need to set the default video to the new card as opposed to disabling the stock one.

In theory you should be able to get the onboard and nvidia videos going at the same time - tho I don't know if ME will support 3 outputs.

You may need to start ME in safe mode (hit F8 before the windows splash screen) and remove all video drivers.

My only advice on ME is toss it. I'd prefer 98 to ME. (XP rocks tho).
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Tripp


Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

thanks for the big response! i have tried that screen before the startup and it gives me a pci option which consists only of changing a number to 3 5 or 11 weird anyway, thats a real bite in the about the agp being better, i originally bought an agp card $89 and brought it back because i had no slot for it, only slots for pci style slot which ended up being $120 for the pci card same company same style card geforce..

so the general feeling seems to be that xp would solve my problem? sounds good, do you suppose i could install xp and then the card later and i won't have this installation problem? that would be easier though more expensive, i do like to upgrade when i fix problems, thanks for the help! i'll let you know how i make out.
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Wyckedflesh


Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 08:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You may need to switch a jumper on the motherboard to disable the onboard card. Compaq was notorious for doing that. You can log inot the Compaq site, pull up your model computer by the serial number then check the specs for the motherboard. When you go through the list look for the graphics display on the motherboard. If it shows a jumper which can be by the first PCI slot or near the actual graphics chip in the motherboard. Once you have that jumper set it will let the CMOS recognize another card. And yes, eithr go BACK to 98SE or upgrade to XP. ME is a hybrid of both that fails miserably.
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Reepicheep


Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

XP won't solve this particular problem, but it will solve a boatload of others.
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M1combat


Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

All good responses...

You should be OK with the PCI card due to the fact that it has 128MB onboard memory. The only time the textures need to be transmitted to the card is when the onboard memory is already full and it needs to swap them out. With 128MB you shouldn't run into that problem too much.

Just to finish... You will need to either disable the onboard card or tell the BIOS to use the PCI device as the first device to initialize. As Wycked said though... Compaq is notorious for doing things their own way.

XP and 98SE are both better than ME. I'm not a big fan of the home edition of XP, but it is light years ahead of ME. My recommendation if you are going to upgrade the OS is to do it either after you find the right configuration that ME likes OR install XP w/o the new card. Once you get it completely running (ALL driver issues taken care of) then install the new card and fight with it. The "3,5 or 11" thing... That changes the IRQ (Interrupt Request) that your device uses. If your bios has the option, Nvidia cards generally tend to like "Assign IRQ for VGA" to be enabled. Make sure you have "Plug&Play OS" enabled if you have that option. If you have an option to reset "ESCD" configuration, do that with the card installed.

A few notes about OS installs...

Make sure you have drivers for your chipset, Video card, Network adapter before you do anything. Having a half built system with no way to get to the internet SUCKS. My guess is that XP will have the drivers for your system built in though. Also, download XP SP2 before you wipe anything.

Install the OS
Install the chipset driver
Install the video driver
Install the Network adapter driver
Figure out what drivers are not installed by looking in the device mangler... get and install them.
Install SP2
Download and install the latest Direct X (9.0c I think)
Keep running "windows update" from the "tools" menu in Internet Explorer until Microsoft tells you there aren't any more. Run this every week at the least for the rest of your life (or switch to Linux...: )).
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M1combat


Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh, and when you want to build a system... Lemme know, I'll help you out. It really is pretty easy. The hardest part is figuring out what hardware you want, but I tend to keep my finger on the pulse of that stuff.
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Jeffb


Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anyone want to help me out? I have an old P333 with Win98. My removable drives have disappeared from MyComputer. No CD, CD-Rom or Zip. They were there and working, but now I can't find a way to make the PC recognize them. What's up?

Jeff
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Josh_


Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 10:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sound like your IDE cables are loose, BIOS forgot about the secondary IDE controller, Win98 forgot about the secondary, a driver is messed up or you just need to reboot (you did say Windows right? ; ) )

>Having a half built system with no way to get to the internet SUCKS

No, buying a SATA system without a floppy drive with a USB chipset not supported under winXP setup sucks. But that's just my life
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M2me


Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why hasn't anyone suggested Tripp visit Nvidia's web site? Click on Support. Lots of good information there.

http://www.nvidia.com/

I agree that you're probably going to have to disable the onboard video. Search for "disable onboard video" at Nvidia's site (under Support, go to FAQs and Knowledgebase). I also agree that ME is not the best OS. Okay, it's probably one of the worst!
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