| Author | Message | ||
     Benmarc |
Took my top notch running M2 to Harley repair shop. Had him just put polished primary cover and cam cover on. Got the job done in 8 hrs. NOW..My bike sounds absolutely terribe..all kinds of clatter...bikes still in the shop. It's beyond belief how terrible it sounds...My weed wacker sounds better and that's not an understatement at all (i mean it). What the hell could he have done wrong to turn my M2 into such a mess? He told me the best solution would be to send out my covers that came off the bike for chroming (someplace in Kentucky) and put those ones back on when they came in. Shipping alone (NDA UPS) both ways was gonna be $240 plus the cost to chrome the parts out and another 8 hours work to put the stock ones back on. Am I getting taken...did he see me coming and found a way to get deeper into my pockets. This is gonna be an expensive ordeal .. HELP  | ||
| Glitch |
What kind of sound? Does it sound like the primary chain tensioner is even in there? | ||
| Blake |
$240 to ship a primary and cam cover??? That is crazy. But I guess for next day air you gotta pay a premium. Why not two day or three day? As to your noise. Could be primary chain related or valvetrain related. They must fix it and for no further charge if it were me. Eight hours also is way too much time to remove/replace the two covers. Yes I know that the rockerboxes need to be removed to allow the pushrods to come out. I reckon it would take me no more than four hours to do the whole job, and I am one slow and meticulous guy when it comes to working on my bike. Noise might also just be that the lifters are not yet pumped up. Is the noise a loud steady tympany of metalic concussion, or is it a cacophony of garbled rattling like an aluminum box of rocks being stirred by a high speed mixer type sound? | ||
| Xblue9r |
"He told me the best solution would be to send out my covers that came off the bike for chroming (someplace in Kentucky) and put those ones back on when they came in. " How in the hell would putting chrome covers on solve anything? | ||
| Reepicheep |
If I am understanding correctly, Benmarc bought replacement cam and primary covers, had those polished, and put them on the bike... The originals still sit there and could be chromed and put back on. Is this correct? If so, I know the cams have to be matched to the cases for older M2's, they are color coded. Don't know if the matches go all the way out to the cover or not... Is the noise from the cam side, or the primary side? Or heck, you had to pull the rocker boxes to do the cam side, is the noise from the top? Lots of places to have done something wrong pulling the right, left, and top of the engine. | ||
| Benmarc |
Blake...as for the noise...it's hard to decribe..never heard anything as bad as it..the minute they asked me to come in to hear it to see if it was what I was normally hearing..I told them to immediately shut it off... I've got Bubb pipes on the bike which normally give a great blast of sound...they sounded like infant cutting a machine gunning Fart .. It sounded like a motor without oil and timing that was way way way out of tune. BAD BAD BAD>> I'm SICK>> THis guys been 10 years in business...probably had on of his understudies do the work.. I just think I'm getting the hose.... The noise and clatter is almost impossible to describe...never hear anything like it.. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Someone screwed up & pulled one of the cams out & didnt place it back in the correct timing reference. | ||
| Captainkirk |
Definitely sounds like primary chain to me. Don't ride it. Pull the primary inspection cover (the small polished aluminum one on the left side) and wiggle the chain up and down. You should have like 1/2 " to 3/8" free play up and down (total). If there's more, there's a problem...take it back to the dealer. If the chain tension seems OK, put the primary inspection cover back on and fire up the bike. Whichever side the noise is coming from, you can probably hear it using a paper towel tube for a stethoscope. Either way, if it's not the primary chain tension it's probably gonna have to go back. If it IS the chain, I'd set the tension myself and •••• on the dealer.If he's not right around the corner, I'd suggest either 1) trailer the bike there, and STAND THERE while he pulls the cover off to investigate the noise...don't go have a cup of coffee or call him in two hours. Any good cat will cover his own ••••. If you can't trailer it, have the dealership come pick it up. Keep us posted.My guess is... you probably have the old-style chain tensioner installed, and when he tightened it after reinstalling the cover it probably fractured and you've lost all tension now.  | ||
| Benmarc |
Reepicheep...the noise is coming from both sides as well as the motor..coming from everywhere.. | ||
| Benmarc |
hey guys...really like the responses..printing them out and gonna hand them to the guy with the hand full of monkey wrenches who seems to be scratching his head in wonderment.. | ||
| Benmarc |
Captainkirk...got a 2000 M2 with 5300 miles on it..don't know if that dates the bike adequately in order to determin if the tensioner is older type or not.. Bikes still on the lift at the shop..never came down... | ||
| Captainkirk |
Benmarc, According to my info, the new tensioner P/N 39975-90A was installed beginning with the new 2001 model M2. There is a SUBSTANTIAL difference in beefiness, so if the cover comes off again, change it out. Cost is only about fifteen bucks for the part. Better yet, buy a lift and start doing your own work!  | ||
| Jon |
What is it with dealers not knowing how to work on the bikes they service and then backing away when they fouled up? Don't allow this guy to not make your bike right. I feel your pain, although I have to say that my servicing dealer is MODESTO. 'Nuff said. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
there is no mention that a "dealer" performed this work. | ||
| Reepicheep |
My 2k cyclone had the old tensioner... definately replace it. But I am with Dyna at this point. Cam back in at the wrong position, or something wrong when they put the rocker boxes back down. Hope they let the pressure bleed out while tightening, instead of just whipping everything back together. To get that cam cover on, they had to remove BOTH rocker boxes... they had a lot apart. | ||
| Blake |
I too think Dyna has it right. The goofed the cams re-install. They had to ask you if the noise was normal??? If it is really as horrendous as you say, why would they need to ask? You are scaring me. Are we talking about a dealership here or some schmo with a garage? | ||
| Socoken |
what sort of idiot would go through all that work, KNOW its •••••• up, and still show the customer. no way no how. my bet is the cam cover cam bearings are wayyyyyy to loose for your cams, and its making a helluva clatter. do we even know if the cam cover is in good shape? maybe a bearing pressed in wrong? have them swap cam covers back, and see where you are at. loose cams make the whole valvetrain clatter, and that noise seems to come from everywhere. | ||
| Benmarc |
Been away for a few hours...fantastic feedback from everybody. Try and answer everyone's comments. This shop is a Harley Dealer/repair shop. Guys been in business for quite a few years and supposedly is known to do good work. He's got quite the layout..Besides himself has 3 other people in the repair shop. The primary cover used was "after market" which he wasn't happy with the manufacturer. The cam cover was Harley which I bought on line (polished) from a previous Bueller (eBay). I was gonna attempt to do it myself...but after reading the shop owners manual I have for my M2, I decided that it would be a bit much for me...especially without all the proper tooling etc.. One of the first things I ask him was if the bushings in the cam cover used were in good shape and pressed in properly and he said "they were fine".. Well...what is boils down to is: I'm sending out the stock covers that came off my M2 (which haven't been polished or chromed) to get them chromed and put back on my sick M2. AND...he then can't blame any future noise (understatement)..on anything else that what he royally screwed up. But, it's gonna end up being a pretty expensive ordeal for me just to bring it back to normal but a little shinier. There an old saying "if its not broke..Don't fix it"...F*#k me. I did go to the shop today and told him to put the upgraded tensioner in when the Newly chromed original covers come back. Also took some of the comments from here to him. Course he was a little taken back..but..sh#t..so am I. Like everyone said...scary..seems to me..if he really didn't like the covers he wouldn't have started the job. Course there aren't many repair shop who like it when a customer comes in with parts not bought from them..(loose out on parts Profits). | ||
| Jst |
You know, I've read several times the the rockers need to be removed to take the cam cover off. I've never had to. I just made sure the pistons were at TDC and very carefully slip the cover out. I take the cover out about 1/2" and used a putty knife to slide the cams back against the inner bearing. I've had the cover off twice on Em. Once to cut it down and again to have it powder coated. Am I doing something wrong? |
