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     Josh_ |
(sorry if this has been posted before) grabbed from http://www.uer.ca/forum_showthread.asp?fid=1&threadid=8951 >>> I've been biting my tongue about this one for a month now as I prepare my own website on the subject.. On April 27, 2004 (18th anniversary + 1 day of the Chernobyl disaster) I did a tour of Chernobyl, the nuclear power station and the ghost town Pripyat. As part of this, I had lengthy discussions with my tour guide about Elena's website, and she told me a few things about it. 1) Her father is NOT a scientist. She does NOT have an 'unlimited access' pass to Chernobyl 2) She has never been on a motorcycle inside Chernobyl. If you notice, the pictures including her bike stop when she gets to the access control point. They did NOT let her in. 3) While she HAS been to Chernobyl, she did exactly the same tour I did, and she went with her husband. 4) In her original website, she mentioned she never goes inside buildings without a girl who lives in Chernobyl, who "is familiar in the ways of the atom and has good taste in shoes" and makes her living showing people around. This person's name is Rimma Kiselitsa. She works for the group Chernobylinterinform (http://www.chernobyl.info) - and was my tour guide. Yes, I had the same tour guide in Chernobyl that Elena had. But there's more. I'll give an example - one of the pictures on her original site was inside a kindergarden. It's a picture of a baby's crib, with a photo of Lenin, a child's gas mask, and some toys. These photos were 'staged' by Elena's husband. He found the photo of Lenin elsewhere, put it in the cott and placed a gas mask alongside then took a photo of it. This annoyed Rimma immensely. She was not impressed from start to finish about Elena and her husband, as they seemed to be trying to take photos for shock value - not how the place really is. I had no intention of doing such things (in fact, I saw the very cott they took the picture of I mentioned above, still in the same state that they left it in), and Rimma picked up on this. She took me to MANY places she didn't even tell Elena about. As part of my day's tour, I took over 400 photographs. I watched Rimma remove the gas mask and photograph of Lenin, and put them back in their original homes. The reason I was told all of this was because Rimma is very annoyed about the whole affair - she's getting phone calls from movie producers wanting to make movies about this "heroic" girl. She's getting people demanding the same unlimited access pass that Elena supposedly has. These do not exist, and she's sick of explaining it to people. When I mentioned I too wished to create a website, she started to talk about it all. Rimma has been featured in Maxim magazine, a number of other magazines and newspapers, and indeed the day I did the tour she told me if I got back to my hotel in Kiev on time to turn on Channel 1 at 7:30pm - she was hosting a documentry on Chernobyl (which looked interesting, but I'm an Australian - I don't speak Ukrainian. I couldn't understand a word). As part of this, I have offered for her to proof read my website before it goes live, to make sure I have all the facts right. In return, Rimma has said that I may use an "Endorsed by Chernobylinterinform" logo on the page. So yes, Elena's website is fake, and much of the things she discusses are complete, utter, 100% bullshit.. such as you have to stand in the middle of the road. Rimma and I strolled through parks, across fields, around gardens, everywhere. At the end of it, the machine said I had as much radioactivity as when I arrived. Bugger all. This is Rimma's job, this is her life, and she's been doing it for 10 years. She KNOWS what she's talking about, and is truly one of the nicest people I've ever met. I'll just finish by giving a link to a panoramic photo I took on a rooftop in the centre of Pripyat - it also shows Rimma in it standing just below me (in fact, due to the way the photos were stitched together she's actually shown twice). http://www.web-axis.net/~pulse/chernobyl/prypyat-panoramic.jpg (4mb - 13,112 x 952 resolution) Details of the tour that I AND Elena did can be found at http://www.ukrcam.com/tour/tour_3.html - where you can also book your own tours if you're interested. By the way, it's not exactly a tour group - it was myself, my driver (in the fearsome Soviet Lada car) and Rimma. That's it. It's a private tour, not exactly a Greyhound tour of Chernobyl.. It was quite simply the most AMAZING experience I've ever had. Tony Brown (pulse .. at .. web-axis.net) *modified to add my name for verification. | ||
| Glitch |
I read about this a couple of weeks ago. Shame init? | ||
| Unibear12r |
Thank you - I thought there was some odd things about what she claimed to do. I know just enough about Russa to know some really odd things happen there.In all fareness I'm sure they think the same of the USA at times. What you post will be interesting. edited by unibear12r on June 14, 2004 | ||
| Jim_witt |
Freaking amazing ... can't trust a damn thing you read. Thanks for the information, -JW:>  | ||
| Ezblast |
Who cares? GT - JBOTDS! EZ  | ||
| Newfie_buell |
I am not being nasty or anything, BUT Do you believe everything on the Net??? This is Satans Highway??? | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
From a pedantic point of view Newfie, if I believe nothing on the net I can't believe your statement telling me to believe nothing on the net, ergo paradox.  | ||
| Crusty |
All I know is what I read in the Newspaper; and I don't read newspapers. | ||
| Sportsman |
Can one of the smart guys explain why they say Chernobyl area is never going to be fit to live in, but Hiroshima and Nagasaki seem OK. Maybe I've got the wrong impression about the whole nuke thing. | ||
| Outrider |
Gosh, I really enjoyed Elena's website. Therefore, I know I am really going to savor Josh's. | ||
| Pangalactic |
Sportsman- two reasons: the bombs dropped on Japan were small in todays (or 1986) terms, They had the energy equivalent of aprox 15 tons of TNT. The Chrernobyl reactor had nuclear material to make several thousand Hiroshima bombs. More importantly, the bombs dropped were also very efficient- virtually all nuclear material was eradicated by the explosion itself, so there is little left (but still some) to decay and release radiation.. The meltdown of the reactor in Chernobyl used up very little of the mass of radioactive material in the fire, but it spread the material all over the place, much of which will never be cleaned. That leaves a lot of material decaying to spew radiation. | ||
| Josh_ |
That's a cut-and-paste from "Tony Brown" whose email address you can decipher above. It ain't me. Anyone see the Mathew Brodrick "Godzilla" remake? Didn't it start with him near Chernobyl? | ||
| Sportsman |
I knew somebody understood. Thanks Panalactic, I am now a wiser man. | ||
| Sydney |
i thought i'd chime in here being a inquirist into chernobyl. I was surprised as many to see that page about the bike ride, and first thought as many of you would have.. Open road no cops. damn i wanna go! i found it hard not to believe since no one else had pictures online of the tour. and she never linked anyone as a tour. I will some day have to visit Chernobyl. i really look forward to seeing Josh's site ;i'd love to see more pictures, and have that INFO certification on the page. and just for facts' sake. we dropped the A-bomb on japan Nukes were not developed as of yet. Hydrogen bomb = A-bomb. Hope you all have had an enjoyable winter riding season is coming soon! Sydney* |
