| Author | Message | ||
     Koz5150 |
Well, you can't blame a guy for trying. As most of you know I have been anxiously awaiting my colored orange tires for my 2002 M2. After being put off for months by Desser Tire Co. I suddenly found out my tires were on the way. Of course this wasn't through a phone call as promised by the sales Rep. It was the fact that my bank account was suddenly $288 short. Well even though I was pissed about that I waited for a few days and eventually received my new tires. I couldn't believe how bad they looked when I got them! (pics are below) I immediately called the sales rep who was clueless that I had even been sent any tires. When I explained how bad they looked he said that I was mailed the tire that was supposed to be junk. He said he would find out what happened. The next day I called him back and he said no one at the company owned up to mailing out the tires or magicly taking the money out of my bank account. All this after being told for the past three months that he would have tires for me in a week or two. Of course that was only after I would call him since they must not have phones that dial out. Well I told him he could come pick up his tires and I wanted my money back. There was no way I was going to trust a set of tires from a company that ships tires out of the scrap pile and can't even found out how it happened. I was only happy that it was a color distortion rather then a retread failure that would have peeled off my bike at 60+ MPH. He was fine with that and had no interest in trying to sell me another set, not even at a discount for all the crap I put up with. Fortunatly refunding my money was the only thing they were able to do correctly in the last 5 months. Here is pics of what I received. Note that the Black marks in the tire is not dirt, but defects in the rubber.   These next pics are the front "good" tire. Notice the black line where the tread meets (well actually doesn't meet) the sidewall. I am confident this would have peeled open.   This concludes my guinea pig report. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SHAE THESE PICS ON ANY MOTORCYLE BOARD YOU READ! YOU COULD SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE! | ||
| Cj_xb |
I feel so bad for you koz, you were so excited !! CJ  | ||
| Dullorb |
Dammit, so was I. I would have liked to get a yellow set. Maybe see how they are doing in a couple years... Thanks for saving me the hassle Koz. | ||
| Fly |
Damned if those don't look spray painted! | ||
| Bomber |
always a bummer when your christmas present isn't what you were expecting . .. . . .sorry bud, but glad you had the sense no to ride on them | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
Its nice to find out how they treat the customer VS how they treat their show tires. Koz sorry it had to be any of us here on BadWeb to find out but am really glad you posted this for us all to see. | ||
| M1combat |
Thank you very much Koz. I prefer black tires anyway, but I appreciate the input and I'm glad you got your money back. | ||
| Fullpower |
the magazines publishing the advertisements for this junk should be made aware. (like cycle world) | ||
| Koz5150 |
Yeah, I thought of writing them a letter, or at least an email with the pics. Here is a scary thought, Desser Tire Company's primary business is aircraft tires... Hmmmmm | ||
| Fullpower |
they may be junk, but at least they're UGLY. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
BUT You really can't beat basic black, They just match everything. At least you gave them a chance - took the plunge. | ||
| Dyna |
I tried to warn you many times Koz. Even told you how shitty they looked in person at the bike show. BTW, those really do look like they were spraypainted..wtf is with that? | ||
| Rockbiter1 |
When tires are recapped (as these are), they cut down the carcas int he tread area, and remold rubber over that, if they don't cut down the sidewall the rubber will be thinner there. That could be why this set was "bad", they didn't process the tire properly. As far as aircraft tires go, retreads are not bad (and very cost effective) The B-52 uses retreds, and tire failure only happens due to something other than the tire going bad (like a brake locking, and rubbing a flat spot into the tire) A properly retreaded tire will not be cut down to the cord layer, only the rubber outside the cord is removed. Now on Big Rigs, i think those are usually done poorly, and do peal from the sidewalls (once again, because the sidewalls were not properly treated). I suspect that if you gave that tire company another chance, you will prolly get a decent set of tires (but don't quote me on that) | ||
| Ray_maines |
Sometimes brand name, black tires that aren't retreads don't work out as well as you want them too either. Here's an Avon Azzaro that just shredded itself after about 6,000 miles. The tire was wearing well and performed OK until one day a little stripe about 6 inches long appeared and a week later the stripe was 3/4 of the way around the tire.  Maybe the next set of colored tires will work out better for you. In the meantime, why don't you just powder coat the wheels a matching orange? | ||
| Blake |
Ray, That's something different than being worn through? I'd think 6,000 miles is pretty good on back of a sport bike. | ||
| Loki |
A couple points to ponder.... Most aircraft tires are retreads and good ones at that. The inspection criteria is pretty darn good. Those that are remotely questionable DO NOT get a new cap. Big truck tires is another ball park. Use of recaps(retreads) on the tractor(drive axles)is strictly verboten by federal regs. Big fines will follow if caught. | ||
| Pilk |
Loki, small mistake in your post, Just the steer axle must have a virgin tire carcass, the drive axels are ok to have caps on.... if caps are done correctly they are great. If done incorrectly, they SUCK. Pilk | ||
| Bvan |
There is a good reason why tires are black. Traditionally tire manufacturers use Carbon Powder as a component, together with natural and synthetic elastomers (rubber) ,some anti-oxidants and other chemical components . The Carbon powder gives the black color to a tire and determents the durability of a tire. Recently, tire manufacturers have started experimenting with using silica instead of carbon powder. The benefit of silica is that it take a lot less time for tires to warm up. Silica also makes it possible to give tire another color. Michelin's new Power Pilot is such a silica based tired and I've heard some very good things about it. I've also heard that Michelin is developing a yellow silica based tire. | ||
| Koz5150 |
The color I received on the front tire was great. It was more of a problem with their quality. They sent out a bad product and couldn't even explain how it happened. That was the worst thing to me. I am sure many of their tires come out looking ok, but I just don't trust their business ethics. And even if I were to get a good tire the next time, I have no intrest in supporting their company. | ||
| Loki |
Sorry Pilk, I was talking to a buddy who drove awhile back. It was what he passed on to me. His explanation was the torque on the drive wheels was the reason. I apologize for the misinformation on my part. | ||
| Djkaplan |
In reference to the photo posted by Ray_maines: Every tire I've run on my current bike - Dunlop 205, two 207s, and a 208 - looks like that Avon at 6,000 miles. | ||
| M1combat |
Yeah, I would expect my tires to look like that if I tried for 6K miles... I got about 3K out of my OEM Dunlop D207. When the tire guy took it off he handed to me and told me to feel how thin it was in the center... I'll make sure to always replace my tires early. I would guess they were no more than 3mm thick. | ||
| Ray_maines |
No, no, no..... Let me explain: That's not just a flat spot in the middle of the tread from running up and down the freeway. I do plenty of that and I get nice squared off tires for my trouble. This is different, really really different. The tire in the photo was wearing well and I thought it would go the usual 8,000 miles, then it got this weird rubber eating virus or something. Everything was going along just fine and then the rubber began to fall of in bite size chunks and in about a week the tire looked as the photo shows. There was something wrong with the construction of this particular tire. Six thousand miles was a little disappointing but still within parameters so I didn't make any fuss to the area rep but it was replaced with a different brand. My reason for the post was to encourage Koz to try another set of orange tires someday, because even the best of tires can have one sample that doesn't work out as it should. Avon Azzaro's are good tires and lots of us have had good luck with them but sometimes shit happens with them too. | ||
| Blake |
Ray wuz doin burnouts.  | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Ray, dude, i barely know you, but eff me that tire is worn out! that's not a defective tire, that's a tire that is worn down to the cord right down the frikkin' middle. Azaros are NOT high-mileage sport tires. the first set i ran on my S2 barely lasted 2,000 miles. i called the distributor and bitched, and the second set, which was comped because i bitched so loud, managed 3,000 miles, and these were relatively easy miles. the tire in the pic above isn't defective, it's just plain worn out. ps: i know you've got sense of humor (at least that's what i've been told) so maybe the following won't piss you off too bad: you oughta try leaning some time. | ||
| Ray_maines |
Jerry, my man, I'm not at all POed, and the tire in question is indeed worn out. That's why I didn't call the Avon Rep. But I wear tires out all the time and that isn't what usually what happens to them. They usually just get balder and balder and then I replace them. Even when they're totally shot, the rubber in the middle looks just like the rest of the rubber except there just isn't as much of it. Or............. Maybe I'm giving Avon too much credit here. Maybe when an Avon tire wears out it falls apart and spits little hunks of itself all over the driveway. Maybe Avon's are on the bottom of the sport tire food chain. Anyway, I wasn't very happy with the one and only Azzaro I've had any experience with. I've had much better luck with Bridgestone, Dunlop, and Metzeler.  | ||
| Ray_maines |
and from the As If All That Wasn't Enough Dept. Here's photo of a Metzeler MZ1 tire with 6,900 miles on it. It's on it's last legs too but it's still all in one piece.  | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Ray, first: thanks for having a sense of humor. i posted last night with a couple toddies under my belt, and, well, thanks. re: the Azaro, Avon makes a GREAT tire, imo. i was lead to believe when the Azaro came out that it was meant to be a sport-touring tire. when i called the distributor (located just north of you in Edmonds, as i recall) the fellow freely admitted that the marketing department mayyyyy have gotten a little carried away with themselves. that said, i would venture that your Azaro in the pic above is simply demonstrating that it's REALLY worn out, well beyond what you've ever asked from another tire. given enough miles, your Metzeler will do EXACTLY what the Azaro did. the fact that it'll take longer is simply the difference in tire materials. peace brudda. (ps: you STILL need to try leaning once in a while...) | ||
| Firemanjim |
Ray,I saw what the problem was right away,that tire is on a Triumph(ducking and running)---- | ||
| Ray_maines |
Yeah, that's true, but I think this is still a valid issue because the extra power of the Triumph's engine is offset by the bikes lighter weight and stiffer, properly designed and correctly aligned aluminum frame and swing arm, fitted with better quality and properly adjusted suspension components. Although I could be wrong, maybe it's just the six speed transmission that makes the difference.  | ||
| Swampy |
Loki, Philk, The truck tire issue..... Federal Regs allow for recaps anywhere on a big rig, buses are the only ones prohibited by federal regulations from running recaps on the steering axles. Check out the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations CFR Title 49 Part 393.75. Trucks don't normally run regrooves or recaps on the steering axle due to the Teamsters Union. Sorry to turn this into something it wasn't, I just couldn't help myself. BTW the Big Kids Blast has a Kenda ordered for Monday, the second Dunlop started showing different color rubber in the bald area, and to think he was running 90+MPH before I spotted it. | ||
| Blake |
Ray, Keep riding that black strip will go away and be replaced by a white strip. Looks really cool. I rode home from Houston like that once. But my all time favorite, pushing the limit of tire economy scenario is demonstrated by the following picture...  Well Worn D205 Rear on My Cyclone Notice the rubber starting to flake off on the left side? Look familiar? Tire Nazi says... "No more burn-outs for you!"  edited by blake on April 12, 2004 | ||
| Seeeu911 |
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| Seeeu911 |
 from my current project bike #2 I wish I could say I was the lunatic that wore out tires like this but my survival instincts are too high.. | ||
| Ray_maines |
Hey, you guys are good! Well, Blake's good anyway, and Donn's got a friend that's good. I have NO intention of going for a white stripe, especially on the front, but I am naive enough to believe that all of the rubber on any given tire should come off at more or less the same rate. I know, silly me. | ||
| Blake |
I think there is a special rubber-like coating between the tread rubber and the kevlar, and when the tread rubber gets real thin it starts to peel/flake off of the thin coating on the kevlar (or steel as applicable). I've seen it more than once on many brands of tires. Blake good, Blake bald, tire bald,... tire good?  Dang Don, he wore through the first kevlar belt. That front tire must have a molecule or two keeping it inflated. I agree with you; I'm all for tire economy, but that is plain nuts! | ||
| Fullpower |
hey how bout another view of the metzeler girl? | ||
| Brineusaf |
  I didn't ride it afterwards.. couldn't find a good enough reason to risk it, all I kept coming up with were reasons not to risk it; go figure. |
