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Deadduck
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama has approved creation of a new, special terrorism-era interrogation unit to be supervised by the White House, a top aide said Monday, further distancing his administration from President George W. Bush's detainee policies.

The administration has also decided that all U.S. interrogators will follow the rules for detainees laid out by the Army Field Manual, according to senior administration officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the decision. That decision aims to end years of fierce debate over how rough U.S. personnel can get with terror suspects in custody.

The new unit does not mean the CIA is now out of the interrogation business, deputy White House press secretary Bill Burton told reporters covering the vacationing Obama at Oak Bluffs, Mass.

Burton said the unit will include "all these different elements under one group," and it said that it will be situated at the FBI headquarters in Washington.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_cia_interrogations;_ylt=Ag6Hj9anuLozIFYkGI3xQ4W2GL8C;_ylu=X3oDMTJvdm I0cmhmBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwODI0L3VzX2NpYV9pbnRlcnJv Z2F0aW9ucwRjcG9zAzEEcG9zAzEEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaW VzBHNsawNvYmFtYXNwb2tlc20-


Man if yall can't start connecting the dots this cat is laying out there, yall are blind!
Considering most of this nation is considered terrorists (right wing extremist) this seems to me like a Hitleresque approach to taming the wild lions out here by shutting them up without answering to anyone. All one has to do is use Logic and Past History to see this shaping into something soon to come....is there anything we can do about this? evidently going to our representatives isn't gonna change a thing seeing as this administration truly answers to no one!
It's interesting how they outline their reasons for this as interrogation methods and torture.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 02:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

go read the Army FM, there are wide swaths that are open up for interpretation and left to the commanders intent and discretion.
Sitting across from someone at a table at a 'center' is the least of your worries.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't see how shifting the interrogations from civilian and civilian-contracted organizations to the Military is necessarily a bad thing.

The Military at least can be held accountable.
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Hexangler
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

lyin'... cheatin'...hurtin'...

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Blake
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 03:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"all U.S. interrogators will follow the rules for detainees laid out by the Army Field Manual"

Not military interrogators, just military rules of interrogation.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Oh - all the more reason to contract with non-US nationals then.

Aint paranoia wonderful?
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Deadduck
Posted on Monday, August 24, 2009 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thats sorta interesting, the story with the link I posted earlier is not the same story thats on that link now. The story earlier clearly led to another branch of the administration that would conduct its own terrorist interrogations. I can't wait to get my hands on the protocol that this newly formed arm will be working under since we have such a transparent administration.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 11:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

All of the things that they want to 'sue' for were legal and directed and with in the scope of the Army FM and in accordance with the Geneva Convention.

The ruse that the detainee in the next room was shot and a body was carted out and shown to the next detainee, was within scope of the questioning as no person was actually injured in that approach, the threat of death, dismemberment, or torture was never directed at the detainee under question, and any info obtained was received legally.

There are things in places that people need not know. Transparency is not always a good thing, and it will be nothing of what you receive from this administration.
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Deadduck
Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 12:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The way the media and the administration has spun this story to "investigate past interrogation practices" is just a cover up of possible things to come.

By moving this "new arm" into the FBI headquarters gives them jurisdiction to operate, seize, and interrogate those that are on domestic soil.

So I'm assuming by the administration going this route, they (a) have little faith in the way that the FBI operates, or (b) wanted a separate entity that could operate how they wanted only to answer to the president or those that he appointed.

I'll go with (b) on this one.
Is this part of his "Civilian Security Force" that he spoke about on the campaign trail?

The beginning of this year, wasn't there a Homeland Security advisory put out about possible terror suspects? service men home from war, right wing extremists? and it seems like a couple of others.
With that being said, how many people do you know would fall into the categories they laid out? All it would take is a suspicion of something like, I don't know, speaking out or questioning the actions of this administration to get the ball rolling on top of them.
We all know our Constitution wouldn't allow that to happen, but I have a feeling this administration or most of our representatives really don't care about that old document. Their actions prove that everyday.

(Message edited by deadduck on August 26, 2009)
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