| Author | Message | ||
     Svh |
Congrats to Taylor Knapp on his pole today for Latus Motorsports. Hopefully he places well in the races too. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
what happened to Slick? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
His lack of skill showed through. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
He's tired from pushing those little 600's out of the way. | ||
| Crusty |
Danny lowsided in qualifying, but he's OK. I'm looking for another charge to the front from him. Wouldn't it be sweet if Buells finished first and second? The Inline four lovers will really be sniveling! | ||
| Rick_a |
Sandbagging until the last lap of the race. | ||
| Diablobrian |
I hope they both do well on race day. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Knapp lost a lot of space after the start, but was making a REAL good drive and then lowsided it. Really too bad - he was starting to get into a real good groove. I have to say, though - I was watching this race intently looking for some blatent advantage for the 1125s, and I saw no such thing. What I did see was some of the BEST racing I have EVER seen in ANY series for ANY vehicle. Seriously. Even the commentators spoke at length about just how good and close the racing has been in this series. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
I used to be a casual at best motorcycle racing fan, until Daytona Sportbike came along. Buell or no Buell, the racing is as good as gets. different bikes that have different advantages at different types of tracks or different parts of the same track equals a tight finish for each race and the season championship. Even though I sneak and see who won online, I watch the races and dvr them cuz they're so much fun to watch. hopefully dmg can get superbike up to the excitement level of dayton sportbike. Oh yeah, these guys are tough and fearless, check this out-- http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?artic le=37728 | ||
| Fresnobuell |
NEws flash! That Eslick kid is good! I can't wait to hear all the shit talking when he wins the championship in a couple weeks. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Eslick did really ride well. The shit talking is innevitable when you pass the entire field on the straights (yesterday). It looked like one of those cheesy NASCAR movies where the hero gets motivated, puts the pedal down, and passes the whole field. I've never seen such a mis-match in power in the 20+ years I've watched racing. If DMG would drop the Buell minimum weight and restrict the horsepower we could see what Eslick is really capable of. I'm starting to believe he is very talented after watching Knapp's performance on a similar bike. Yesterday was the worst mis-match I've ever seen. Knapp passed on every straight, then the 600's came under him on braking. Knapp looked horrible in sweepers and in braking. Rider or bike???? It's impossible to tell how Knapp would have ridden on a similar bike. I like riders, don't really care what brand they are on. I don't get excited because Buell wins or Suzuki wins. This formula makes it impossible to tell which riders are doing best. Saturday, when Knapp was out of contention, was some great close racing with plenty of paint swapping among the 600s. Good to see Roger doing well, until his tires went off and that reportedly crappy front end on his Kawi just pushed the front too much. He and Hacking have been pushing that pile very hard, and Roger has some great talent and a good attitude. Restrict the 1125s and lower the minimum weight. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
If the 1125rr is in Superbike next year, will the 1125r be in sportbike yet or do you guys think Buell will get an 8?? or 9?? | ||
| Spatten1 |
Do you mean 800cc or 900cc? | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
yup. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Yesterday was the worst mis-match I've ever seen. Knapp passed on every straight, then the 600's came under him on braking. Which is exactly the point. The bikes all have their strong points. Maybe the Buell is up on power for the straights, but the 600s can out brake them. So what if Knapp passed on the long straight everytime - he couldn't keep the momentum going into turn one and lost his gain every time. How is this unfair racing? You talk like Knapp and Eslick flat out murdered everyone on the track without saying so. The truth is that didn't happen. | ||
| Blake |
Scott, You really don't know what you are talking about. Drafting is real. Double drafting is real too. The other bikes were using it as well. I don't know what race you were watching. When you burp out ridiculous falsehood like "The shit talking is innevitable when you pass the entire field on the straights (yesterday)" you lose credibility. Since when is passing in the straights a problem? I guess you've never watched any other race where competitors passed one another in the straights. LOL! The racing was as close as it gets. Danny is flat out riding that bike up to and beyond its limits, everywhere. | ||
| Spatten1 |
XL- you should run your 1125 in the Ninja 250 class, carry some extra weight so everyone has even lap times. That would be great racing and double the number of manufacturers represented. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Xl1200r said: "How is this unfair racing?" Exactly right Mark, its not at all. AMA maybe with NASCAR's help, if in fact they have adopted the AMA is doing what they do best, i.e. keeping all the vehicles as near competitive as possible and making it a drivers/riders/chassis tuners race. Best racing of all times in both venues right now, especially AMA Daytona Sportbike. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Blake, when Danny passed riding over the curb and through the dirt, perfectly upright, he was not drafting. The Buells are starting way behind the 600s on the straights, catching and passing them. It is the right wrist, not aerodynamics. It looks really bad for Knapp. He couldn't brake or hang in the sweepers at all. He made up for it every lap on the straight. That is not what roadracing is about. It is a shit show. It will not last another season. | ||
| Blake |
"I don't get excited because Buell wins..." We know, you get irritated when a Buell racer wins. To clarify, "Buell" isn't doing the winning. The winning is being done by one very talented young man named Danny Eslick. This is a young man who has been battling as a privateer on inferior equipment for virtually his entire racing career, yet managed to finish 3rd in AMA national championship. He's won at the Springfield mile. Well, now Danny has a competitive machine and he is winning. Boo @#$%ing hoo. If you cannot see his skill and determination but choose instead to see only an unfair advantage, you are so out of line and just plain wrong, it defies logic. You sure aren't watching the same races that I am. By your miserable characterizations, Danny is only able to pass on the straights. Well that is 100% false. Some of the best and tightest passing he's done for the wins he's earned has been in the turns. You see Taylor Knapp draft up from behind two bikes and become outraged at what you imagine is an unfair power advantage. When one of the other competitors on a 600 manages the same exact drafting pass, you somehow go blind. Very strange. The racing is even and about as fair as it gets. It's also as good as I've ever seen it. VIR is one of the most challenging twisty tracks on the schedule. A power advantage there is not worth much. The bike needs to handle and grip in the twisty stuff. | ||
| Blake |
"It is a shit show." That's a shit opinion. | ||
| Xl1200r |
The shit talking is innevitable when you pass the entire field on the straights (yesterday). When one of the other competitors on a 600 manages the same exact drafting pass, you somehow go blind. Lest us not forget, just one day before, there was a Yamaha machine (I forget the rider's name) who came up from something like 7th into the front spot going into turn 1 JUST FROM THE START OF THE RACE - NOT EVEN A FULL FRONT STRAIGHT TO USE. And there was also a pesky Kawasaki rider who was barreling up down the front straight as well, he just kept out braking himself. The arguments are getting just annoying at this point. | ||
| Rfischer |
I'm pleased as Punch to have someone with serious chops call Scott, and the others of his ilk, out for what they are. That it is the moderator of this site is just the cherry on top. Only IMHO, of course...... | ||
| Badlionsfan |
It is a shit show. It will not last another season. I think you're in the minority on both of your non-sensical opinions. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
As a fan, I'd rather see passes all over the track, riders goin way deep into the corners to gain another spot than watch a single file parade for 20 or so laps. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Knapp looked horrible in sweepers and in braking. Rider or bike???? Could it be the weight disadvantage? There is no way to force a V-Twin to EXACTLY line up with an IL4. It's physically impossible. I'm not at all interested in an IL4 only series. Given the past viewership of Sportbike in the past, no one else is either. Shit show, but people are watching (and talking, and blogging, and bitching, and cheering, and buying). | ||
| Blake |
"Blake, when Danny passed riding over the curb and through the dirt, perfectly upright, he was not drafting." So apparently a Buell is prohibited from passing or it is exhibiting an "unfair" HP advantage. WTF? I've seen other guys on other brands perform exactly the same type of off track passing. Drive off the corner is real. You know what was a real "shit show"? AMA SBK during the Yoshimura Suzuki era. That bike obviously had a power advantage and it ran away with virtually all the race wins for how many years running? But it was not violating any rules, was it? Well now you have more different winners and more racers contending for the wins in more spectacularly close racing in DSB than has ever been witnessed by me in any AMA series that I can recall, but all you can do is rail against the Buell racers if and when they do well? That is just plain goofy. You've apparently made up your mind that anyone racing a Buell must be a shit racer and so the only way they can win is by some unfair advantage. Explain how a shit racer can execute the passes in the turns against Hacking and Cardenas and others like Danny Eslick has. Explain why even Scott Russel, no fan of Buell, has been lauding the skills and determination of Danny Eslick. Russel was floored at the pass Danny made against Josh Herrin in turn one at Topeka. But for some really queer reason, all you see is some "unfair" HP advantage. Question: What about the weight advantage of the IL4s? Twenty five additional pounds to carry around the track is trivial? Any idea how much more that stresses the front tire under hard braking and cornering? How much power is that worth? Really, you keep on and on about the "unfair" power advantage. Well then why haven't Buell racers won every race and taken every pole in qualifying? Why is the championship one of the closed in history? Why have more racers won DSB than in any other series in recent history? Why are there more racers contending for the win in each race than I've ever seen before? Because the Buell has an unfair power advantage? Whatever dude. Why not just enjoy the racing and instead of fostering the view that Danny Eslick is a shit racer, how about you give the man a little benefit of doubt and give him credit for being an exceptional racer. The same for Taylor Knapp. And go learn about draft passing, double draft passing and drive out of the turns and their effect. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
"Could it be the weight disadvantage?" Can't be, Buell offers superior engineering with Mass Centrailization, including the underslung exhaust,fuel in frame, Perimiter Braking and shorter wheel bases. Now all of a sudden that stuff doesn't matter? All if it negated by 25lbs? Buell doesn't advertise bikes with a disclaimer saying..."its all cool unless you weigh 25lbs more than a little fella" 2010 will be an interesting year in the Sportbike class. This year is a learning year for the AMA, Buell and other MFG's. Fatty is right on by saying that people are watching racing this year. This year will only captivate more for next year. | ||
| Blake |
Hayden and Knapp were doing the exact same outside maneuver into turn one. Why is Knapp horrible but no mention of Hayden? That is just a jackassed way to look at racing. No one who's not put his but on the line at triple digit speeds coming into a turn has any business characterizing the efforts of racers as "shit racing". The unmitigated arrogance is bewildering. I like Scott. I just cannot disagree with his goofy views and total disregard for logic concerning some of the best racing I've ever seen. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
"No one who's not put his but on the line at triple digit speeds coming into a turn has any business characterizing the efforts of racers as "shit racing"." I believe Scotty has layed his ass out there. He's entitled to an opinion. This is a Buell board, of course he's going to get lambasted for it. I give him huge props for having the balls to express that opinion about how he's seen the race. I don't think he's a hater or a troll. He doesn't like the 1125r in a Sportbike class. He's not alone. |
