| Author | Message | ||
     Rocketman |
Whats a tea boy??? The first step on the corporate ladder. Why should any of us think that because yates is a racer instead of a person with a "normal" job that he should be afforded special treatment? Yates isn't in a 'normal' job though is he. He's in the entertainment business and one in which he puts his life on the line - LIKE HE DID THAT DAY. That in itself is enough reason to let it go with a slap on the wrist, never mind the fact the guy he assaulted knows full well the stress the job entails. A racing incident - that's all - not a hanging offense. My own feelings on the subject go like this...act like an asshole at work & I would fire you in a second. That's pretty much the same comment from those who share your views. Are you people human? Have you never lost your temper and thumped someone, especially when you were Yates age? Please don't tell me you're all squeaky clean people otherwise I'm leaving for good. They have no idea how lucky they are to be where they are. Supposition. maybe they should show a little gratitude towards their employers & thank them for providing them with the opportunity to play a game & not be stuck in some factory churning out mind numbing parts day in a day out. Did you have ideas on being famous yourself Dyna? Is that it? You're jealous or just bitter? Rocket | ||
| Dino |
You're jealous or just bitter? I'm sure you're right Rocket. Everyone who agrees with Dyna (damn near everyone but you, it would seem) is just a small, jealous, bitter wannabe. Guess we can't all be as well adjusted as you are. Must be nice to know that anyone that disagrees with you has some sort of personality problem. Please don't tell me you're all squeaky clean people otherwise I'm leaving for good. Nope, I once tossed the reserve center of our football team into the gym wall. He outweighed me by 80 lb and was knocking around a guy who was probably 30 lb lighter than I. Of course, I was only about 16 years old at the time. Since then I've managed to make my point in a less violent way. Guess I should seek therapy. Dino | ||
| Sandblast |
Probably everyone here (or most) have gotten pissed and thrown a punch or two, and I dont think its a big deal. If Yates and the other racer were in the pits and had words or something that led to a fight then it would be nothing to worry about and fun to watch, but the fact that the other rider was possibly injured seriously, obviously in pain, and hit FROM BEHIND by Yates makes it very serious in my eyes. He needs an old-time ass whooping for acting like a little bitch like that. That said I loved watching him in the twisty bits of the track, I wish I could ride like that. | ||
| Cj_xb |
have you never lost your temper and thumped someone, especially when you were Yates age? Probably so, but I don't know many guys who would actually do it when a guys back is turned and has no idea it's coming !! Are you saying you would hit/kick a man in the back whose just getting up from a possibly serious wreck and possibly injured and has no idea it's coming, seriously would you ??? Do you really think that's an okay way for ANY grown man in any profession to act ?? I think that's the issue most folks have with it and why they think he's such a big a-hole !! So what he's a racer/entertainer whatever, he's just a guy for heaven's sake, everyone has talents of some kind and yes they can ALL be replaced including him !! CJ | ||
| Cj_xb |
I once tossed the reserve center of our football team into the gym wall. But did you get him from behind, or stand up to him and give him a fair chance and look him eye to eye ??? CJ  | ||
| Dynarider |
Not bitter or jealous one damn bit. Never wanted to be famous, rich I could live with but I dont need it to be happy. I make decent money doing what I do & if I acted like yates did I would lose it in a second. Thats not bitter or jealous, thats called taking responsibility for your own actions & acting like an adult. Yates acted like a 3 yr old would. Fist fights & kicking from an adult? I dont engage in either one, doesnt mean I wouldnt if I had to in order to protect myself or my family but it has never come down to that & I seriously doubt it ever will. Yates isn't in a 'normal' job though is he. He's in the entertainment business and one in which he puts his life on the line Yates doesnt put his life on the line anymore than a cop or a highrise construction worker does. Plenty of people every year are killed in the workplace simply due to the hazards around them. Those are the folks who would be fired for raising a fist to another co-worker yet somehow you can claim that its ok for yates to do it be cause he is in the entertainment business? Great role model we have their for all the young & aspiring racers. A lot of times Sean you have some valid points, but in this case I think you are simply being the devils advocate. Yates was wrong & a 1 race suspension is merely a slap on the wrist. Lets see how he would do in the real world where engaging in that behaviour would result in a job loss & watch the domino effect take place where he ends up losing his home because he cant pay his bills. | ||
| Smoke |
some pundhes thrown face to face is one thing, but kangaroo kicking someone coming off the ground after a motorcycle wreck is something totally different. yates took out fania, and then took his anger out on fania. screw yates | ||
| Dino |
Hey CJ - I grabbed him from the side as he was brushing past me. I had warned him to knock off abusing the little guy, but hell no, I didn't look him in the eye first and tell him I was now gonna whoop his ass. I'm just dumb...not stupid.  | ||
| Rocketman |
Jeez man, you're all so damn touchy these days. Here we go again. I joined this thread not to play devils advocate, just to point out that ending a racers career helps no one. Yes he was bang out of order but those kind of things happen from time to time and more often than not they are nothing more than a storm in a tea cup. Road racing is not damaged by this incident nor were either rider but who are we to judge the actions of one because we assume a fallen rider is in a vulnerable position. Whilst vulnerable might be true , to a racer they fall off often like it's part of the daily routine, hardening them to the perils of the job. I'm sure if the guy was rolling around the floor in pain or worse, not moving, but he wasn't he was getting up, I can't imagine Yates would have done what he did. Bad behaviour, yes. Poor judgment, yes. A career ending incident, no way. Rocket | ||
| Phillyblast |
Rocket, I haven't seen the incident in question yet. And I'm inclined to agree with you that racing/sports in general aren't everyday workplaces, emotions run higher, as the physical stakes are higher. I've seen Nascar races where riots broke out in the pits, and drivers reached through windows and pounded on the other driver. But I'm a hockey fan and this incident bothers me. If Yates jumped on the guy while he was on the ground, he should be dealt with severely. Not a lifetime ban, since no serious injuries came out of it, but more than a slap on the wrist. | ||
| Bomber |
ROcket -- I agree with much of your last post . . . . Yate's behavior at Daytona shouldn't be a career-ending event . . . ... and, guess what, it ain't! If my last name was Suzuki, I would, however, be considering my continued professional association with Mr Yates . . . .. while racing is a high-pressure, dangerous occupation, unmanageable temper surely doesn't speak well for Yate's self control . . . .. while I've never raced at anything approaching that level, I can't imagine a lack of self control speaks well for a rider's long term ability to compete at hat level. It's dangerous enough as it is without adding to the potential risks needlessly I have no idea what Yates might have done if hte situation were different, as you described, but that's got nothing to do with it -- he acted like a child, and is getting his allowance cut and is being given a time out (so to speak) | ||
| Blake |
"ending a racers career helps no one." It damn sure does if that racer is a threat to the health/safety of other racers and a blight on the integrity of the sport. The Bertuzzi hockey incident is a perfect example of exactly what could have easily been the outcome of Yate's cowardly unprovoked unjustified and behind the back attack on Fania. Yate's complete lack of contrition/remorse wrt the incident is clearly demonstrated by his so-called "apology" posted on RRW. That was NO apology. It's dangerous enough just racing motorcycles. Competitors shouldn't have to worry about being assaulted, let alone kicked in the back as you are picking yourself up from a crash. Racing certainly doesn't need violence. Racing certainly doesn't need Yates. If the other racer in the incident had been Ben Bostrom instead of Mr. Fania, do you think Yates would have attacked him? The answer is not just "no", but "NO WAY!" Why is that? It's called respect, and Yates displays a complete lack of respect for other racers of lesser stature and/or level than himself. I don't think the incident should end Yates' career. But if I were in charge of the team, his job with Yoshimura would be finished, and if I were in charge of AMAPR, he would be facing much more rigorous discipline than a mere $5K and a single race suspension. To put a positive spin on it, I'd sentence him to umbrella girl duty for Mr. Fania for the next three races. And he would damn sure do a proper job of it too. Of course that might not be fair to poor Fania. LOL. | ||
| Dullorb |
Yates isn't in a 'normal' job though is he. He's in the entertainment business and one in which he puts his life on the line If Yates would learn how to pass, his life wouldn't be on the line and neither would the life of the person he's passing. And no Rocket, I never thumped anyone at his age. I can recall twice in my life when I attacked someone and both times I hadn't yet reached grade school. The second time I ran out of the classroom to the hall and cried because I had lost my temper. In the unlikely event I ever did thump someone they will have earned it not because they happened to be in my way when I made a bad choice. | ||
| Benm2 |
The "official" punishments for Yates are almost all done, Yoshimura will probably let one out too. The "unofficial" outcome is that Yates will probably lose his factory ride this season, unless he REALLY cleans up his act. He's not fast enough to act that way and keep that ride, and as many have mentioned there's plenty of new talent waiting in the wings. He's just another Kocinski, but without the talent and with a violent temper. It doesn't surprise me that the official responses were "metered". However, I suspect that Mr. Yates has had the riot act read to him, and should consider moving to a lower cost development before next season.... | ||
| Crusty |
Yep. I was unemployed five minutes later. Yates should suffer the same consequences. | ||
| Psychobueller |
Funny Yates Video http://www.teamiguana.com/Videos/daytona.wmv | ||
| Hardluckxb |
I think a one-race suspension and the financial consequences levied are appropriate punishment for the fit thrown by Yates at Daytona. So he is pussyasshothead! Let him ride and it will sort itself out eventually. Life has a funny way of abiding by the principles of Darwin. He will have to pull something pretty amazing out of his ass to have a shot at the Championship now. He has proven to the world he is incapable of competing at a professional level. Although because he resides in GA it kinda embarASSing, it's a trip for me to see a grown man throw a tantrum. For me, it is a bit exciting starting the season off with a little drama. And it shall be fun watching Aaron ride like hell in an effort to save face for the rest of the season. If not, I hope he has multi year contracts. But like it has been said...we all lose our head! Most of the time for me, it is when I start drinking at sunrise  , but occasionally we all allow emotions to overcome logic. And when it happen we usually end up looking like some punk bitches…U.G.L.Y.! (No offense intended ladies, I'm just a DAWG!) Though it’s not something we need to get worked up about, it's just racing. Let 'em crash and swing on each other if they don't have better sense. I enjoy the clips! But just realize that the people who pay his checks sees this behavior too, and as soon as they find another rider worth putting there support behind, I don’t think Yoshimura Suzuki will be faced with tough decision. I do not doubt they can find a talented rider who can handle himself like a pro in all situations. -------------------------------------------- This is a press release from http://www.ussuperbike.com Yoshimura Suzuki speaks on Daytona 200 March 10, 2004 Yoshimura Suzuki press release This years Daytona 200 was a mixture of highs and lows for the Yoshimura Suzuki Team. Mat Mladin rode a masterful race to take his third win at this classic event. Mat managed the race to perfection, going fast when he needed to, and conserving when it was prudent. Yoshimura Suzuki rider Aaron Yates was running a strong second place when late in the race; he came upon a slower rider. Regardless of how one views who was at fault in the ensuing collision, what happened afterwards was clearly unacceptable. At Yoshimura we have a 50-year history of racing. We race hard, but at the end of the day, we always believe in watching out for each other and keeping racing in perspective. As a result of this philosophy, we cannot, and do not condone Aaron Yates actions in any way, shape, or form. Discussions and meetings will occur in the very near future at American Suzuki, Yoshimura, and the AMA, to determine the full extent of what actions will be appropriate in this case. Needles to say, we at Yoshimura are very disappointed in Mr. Yates behavior. Don Sakakura Vice President, Yoshimura Racing edited by hardluckxb on March 12, 2004 edited by hardluckxb on March 12, 2004 | ||
| Grndskpr |
There was a saying in the past, that there are plenty of riders who can race, and not alot of factory spots to be filled, if a factory finds its a problem to deal with a specific rider, they find another one, there was a rumor that at one point in time Pascal P. was one of the problem riders, and while he had the talent, he no longer has a factory ride, on the other hand, there are riders who have the talent and the personality, that make them a benifit to the factory, not only in there riding, but in the customer service, Rich Oliver stands to bear, he was an older rider, still winning, but in a class that was enjoyed mostly by racers, however Yamaha kept him on the team for as long as they could, helping him financially to keep his team afloat, in return he was happy to spend time at dealers, meet fans, and go out of his way to promote Yamaha and racing in general Things work out in the long run, bad press is bad press, and since there has been no out pouring from Arron to fix the situation,just a forced appology, i doubt he will be long for a factory ride, but i have been wrong in the past, and i will be worng again, but i will buy a F--K Arron shirt if i find one later Roger | ||
| Lake_bueller |
Psycho...  | ||
| Rocketman |
Yep. I was unemployed five minutes later. Must be us mad English. We're always scrapping at work. Me? I'm self employed now  I know we live in politically correct times and the nanny state is ever present, but there are certain aspects to human nature that no one will ever change, no matter what times we live in. Many of you speak of childish behaviour. Consider that all people are not the same. One person with plenty of patience can easily display a truck load of self restraint yet someone with much less patience might very well be bad tempered and quick to react with very little ability to hold back their tempered way. It doesn't make them childish. Their make up is as individual as yours or mine or anyone else's, and you certainly can't condemn them for that. It is wrong to, more so if you're one of those that can show high levels of self restraint. You should consider yourself fortunate but not condemn others for lacking what you consider a skill. Bad tempered people have skills too. Some good, some bad. Me, I'm a bad tempered bugger and I'm not afraid to admit it. Would I have done what Yates did? No, that's not my style but I do know plenty of people that would have, and I wouldn't condemn them for it. In most cases they are wonderful people. Perhaps Mr Yates is too.  Rocket | ||
| S320002 |
I know we live in politically correct times and the nanny state is ever present... Ain't it the truth! Used to be we'd hang back shooters like the low life cowards they are. | ||
| Blake |
"someone with much less patience might very well be bad tempered and quick to react with very little ability to hold back their tempered way." BULLSHIT! Are you trying to claim that some people do not have the ability to control their own actions? BULLSHIT! Short of Turret's syndrome anyway. Accountability, the bain of liberal minds everywhere. | ||
| Bomber |
Oh, I dunno, Blake . . .. . I have no trouble holding you accountable | ||
| Dino |
So, Rocket, I haven't had too much trouble resisting the urge to commit mass murder. Does that mean it's wrong for me to judge and/or condemn those who do commit mass murder??? Your line of reasoning leaves me a bit confused...but do I know some defense attorneys who'd love to have you on their juries. Hmmm, only mass murderers can judge mass murders? Truly a jury of your peers! | ||
| Ara |
My rights stop at your nose, Mr. Rocket. We're all adults and we're all accountable for our behavior. Arguments to the contrary are simply cowardly excuses for immaturity. Nothing personal, man. You're just wrong about this. | ||
| Cj_xb |
Nothing personal, man. You're just wrong about this. Ditto, everyone CAN control their actions, some just choose NOT to !! CJ | ||
| Blake |
Bomber, You are right, as a matter of fact liberals love to hold conservatives accountable for all manner of things, practically everything bad, mean, and scary that they can imagine. That's the problem, their imagination. | ||
| Phillyblast |
Geez, Blake, so Yates is a back shooter AND that makes him a liberal? Man, you just can't let it go can you? Cowardice and hypocricy cross party lines pretty regularly, last I checked. Yates was a real man, he'd have taken off his helmet. I'm partly with Sean on this - "schoolyard scraps" are part of some workplaces to this day - depends on the environment. Not in a 9 to 5 office, but it still happens out with the street crews where I work if the stories are to be believed. Of course, when you darn near kill a guy with a backhoe, he's probably gonna be pissed. And he will hold you accountable for your actions. Finally saw the video by the way - Kicking the guy in the back is a cowardly move. That bothers me more than the altercation itself. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I don't like what Yates did, I think he should have had a heavier penalty than he got, though not a life ban. However I'm not surprised, as I already said on this thread, that's how it would come out. As with Philly, I'm partly with Sean on this, things happen, & control goes out the window sometimes, Road Rage for instance, isn't this just another example of it? Some people have slow fuses & some have hair triggers, WE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME! This is what makes the world such a wonderful & interesting place, for example I can't stand how Blake drags politics into just about everything, but that's his thing & I'll fight to the death to defend his right to do that, no matter if I think he's wrong or not, the same goes for Rocket. Just think how tedious life would be if none of this stuff went on & we all thought the same thing,  damn happy pills have worn off, time for bed | ||
| Rocketman |
BULLSHIT! Are you tryi...................BULLSHIT! You wouldn't be losing control now would you Blake, shouting like that at a fellow BadWeBer for voicing his opinion? You wanna control that temper man. Hey Grumpy git, let me know if you need some more happy pills, and when are we gonna toss a few back? Rocket |
